It depends on the batch o rue seeds. Some very young rue seeds have, it is claimed by a Nexian (dithyramb), even an appreciable content of THH. Natural materials vary according to a wide variety of conditions.

Thank you for the response. This is really interesting. I went to an Indian grocery store and asked for “harmala” and “syrian rue” and they didn’t know what that was. Maybe in India they know it by a different name? If you don’t mind telling, these rue seeds that you get from India, what is the brand, or what does it say on the packaging?

Edit: could it be that they call it “esphand” in India?

Hey there ava

Would you care to address the question of what might be the undesirable by-product in a zinc reduction of a harmine/harmaline mixture? This is something you were quoted as having mentioned, and I've given it my consideration in that thread.

And yeah, I've been decorating the walls of my spare kitchen with some nice yellow spots as I work my way through a 1kg rue extraction - although a 12mL (~½oz) shot of the first two combined pulls (totalling 1.8L recovered) was really rather special, being the equivalent of not more than 6.66g of rue, certainly significantly less as liquid recovery was far from complete - I just didn't fancy pressing the seeds. So, this was from two separate 30 minute PC cooks, the first one with 15g ascorbic acid and the second with 10g. I'll be looking at whether PC'ing with ascorbic acid forms any extra THH.

Besides visual tracers, There was also an omnipresent audio 'twang' that gave a metallic edge to sounds such as turning the page of a book. It was clearly a harmaline-heavy experience but I get the feeling that there was something more to it as harmaline+harmine for me tends to have a dominant earthy yellow/green colour scheme whereas this time the full spectrum of colours was making its presence felt, along with more than a hint of crystalline clarity.

There was a clear sense of plant teacher intelligence, highlighting habitual modes of thought and action in a questioning way. Formulating my own questions about things brought instantaneous intuitive replies that were helpful from a perspective of self-development and understanding the diversity of possible different viewpoints. Thinking about the expansion of the universe and black holes was also insightful - but more on that in the appropriate thread.

With the eyes closed, internal vision developed along the lines of an initial idea into realistic scenes of quite surprising intricacy. It was shocking then amusing when, at one point, while contemplating the tidal effects of the sun and the moon, the sun suddenly turned off when I was disturbed by the bang of a closing door.

Physically, there was a kind of proprioceptive and tactile 'shuttering' that was also reflected in what could have become difficulties with balance and fine motor control, along with a sense of muscular twitching which was again more of a phantom sensation than any noticeable movement.

With its overall sense of strong yet grounded euphoria, this experience left me feeling strengthened and re-motivated. A few more like this and I'll be ready to add a little 'light' to the mix again... and it would be good to get hold of some | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | for that.

Harmel? There might be other local names though.

Had another try today.
Ava was not kidding with the images of beautiful women. Today I had a vision of a naked blonde with the body of a literal Goddess opening my mind's eye like you would a zipper at the beggining. The perfection of the female form in full display with a glistening astral skin. And it wasn't any libido increase, just a sense of witnessing beauty.
This effect is so peculiar to me, ava mentioned about certain adrenergic receptors that THH touches like mescaline does, but I could not find a source on how these receptors are actually involved in "Aesthetic perception"

ava69:

I don’t understand that tolerance chart you posted. On the y-axis it says “percentage”. Percentage of what? Please provide an example. Is the chart saying that if you dose every 14 days, you only need to dose 100% of the original dose, but if you were to dose only one day after, you would need a dose that’s 290% higher in order to get the same effect? If that’s what it means, why did you say at the beginning of your post that THH has reverse tolerance? Thanks.

Question: what effects would you feel if you took 100 mg of THH by itself? What about 200 mg?

It's funny that ava reports on using | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | DMT for ayahuasca in his last reply
Tried some days ago the following:
300 mg of THH orally
100 mg of harmine/harmaline after 30 minutes orally
75mg of DMT with | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | after 30 minutes orally (not sublingual)
I was curious how would an oral dose compare with a sublingual dose of DMT that has proven effects
Well the experience was much weaker than the sublingual one visual wise. Spent 3 hours in a state similar to fever dreams, the theme was me worrying about the Ukraine-Russia war. Had a vision at some point of a little girl crossing the Ukrainian border in a rainy night but that is literally all I got from the whole deal.
Unfortunately I vomited about two hours in, the urge came suddenly and had to be obeyed, did not enjoy the stomach acid coating my entire mouth.
Should I have used more harmalas? probably but then I get more nausea and diziness this way
Should have used more DMT? certainly it seems so, but you need less for a strong sublingual experience
did using | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | help? I helped with the faster onset I believe, but I am not that enthusiastic to repeat an aya experience soon

Hi ava, thanks for sharing the details of how you had to switch to oral administration for | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | complexed DMT. What I think is more likely than your spontaneous evolution of a salivary enzyme is simply that your sublingual mucosa gets thickened by the irritation from this ROA and that is sufficient to prevent DMT absorption. The time span you give for recovery of effects is consistent with this kind of skin renewal process.

Is this true that Ayahuasca (DMT) does not produce tolerance to other psychedelics? I was under the impression that other psychedelics don't cause tolerance to DMT, but DMT would induce a tolerance to other psychedelics.

Ava, what is the benefit of oral | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | DMT over oral DMT without the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |? Sorry if you've already covered this.

I do hate to be the party pooper
I gave another try to the one-shot oral dmt coupled with | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |, in the equivalent dosages to my weight like ava did. I'm 70 kgs, so 95 mg of dmt, 120 mg of harmala, and 300 mg of THH. One thing, I did not separate the harmaline from harmine because I am too lazy to do it, and I don't think it would make that much of a difference.

I made the shot of pharmahuasca but I needed one hour to make myself to drink it. My stomach was belching and nausea senses were on high alert, the prospect of drinking it was so unpleasant. I downed the glass eventually, it tasted as vile as I expected, and even now I feel bad thinking about it. For me the stuff tastes BAD, really really bad. But in 10 or so minutes the vile taste went away, and this time I did not purge.
Regarding the actual experience, it was sickening, I regretted constantly going though it. The experience dragged on for 8 hours, and I felt even at the end that there were leftovers of the liquid getting absorbed along the GI tract. At the end there were slight tinges of paranoia were I had fever dreams of cops and authorities checking me out or wanting to take my blood to find DMT in it, or seeing me in a cognitive impaired state. Visual weak trip, but I think that adding more DMT would have added to the paranoia, anxiety and extreme body dysphoria, and accentuated the childish coloured evil theme of the trip. I am glad I have not added more.
Post-trip I do feel really calm and clear-headed so I can't complain
Regarding the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) |, I don't think it changed much for me in this experience

Haven't tried sublingual DMT in 4-5 weeks, because at one point when I tried I also felt a kind of tolerance to the visual effects, which I know sounds stupid but we need tens of tries to reach a final conclusion. I will check back in a few days and report with another try. I'm not trying oral DMT for a long time, you can't even pay me to do thatat this point.

Thanks for pointing out the study in that article, it really is intriguing. The Santo Daime drink also has incredibly high THHa,d very very low harmaline. How do they end up with that ratio? I doubt they mess with changing the ph and deliberate chemistry, is it just an effect of prolonged boiling? My concotion had a value of 1 mg of harmaline per ml, while for the SD drinks it's 50 times lower. The THH harmaline ratio is 150:1 on average, for me it was 5:1.
So I guess I seriously have to reconsider my pharmahuasca preparation

Just to say, this nausea factor doesn't apply universally. Personally, having taken the time to get myself accustomed to harmala effects by stepwise increasing the dose of the course of weeks and now months has paid off. Now, I may possibly have a higher nausea threshold than some but I can now take a stiff dose of harmaline-rich mixed rue alkaloids and get visual trails plus auditory flangeing - which for me is moderately entertaining - with barely the faintest hint of nausea.


Thanks for reminding me of that thread - I've gone into a recent rue extraction that used multiple PC cooks with ascorbic acid over there. Suffice to say, the crude alkaloid mixture thus obtained is noticeably different in effects from plain rue tea.

I put a bit more musing about my views on the harmaline experience in this post, if you're interested.

My grandmother was a bit of a painter too ❤️

Sublingual DMT attempt

Dosage: 90 mg of DMT+ 310 mg of THH + no harmine or harmaline whatsoever

Highlights:
- lack of harmaline or harmine completely stopped the appearance of significant visions. Faces and geometries wanted to burst out when I closed my eyes but they could not, no colour. The lack of harmalas besides THH seems to stop the experience from unfolding. As such I won't make these attempts without other harmalas from now on
- there wasn't a problem with the DMT absorbtion IMO. I had the cotton with the DMT juice under my tongue for 10 minutes, felt significant stinging on the mouth floor. 24 hours in and the mouth floor is still sore

I hope I can receive in a week or two pure harmine. I want have to try harmine only+THH+DMT experiences (sublingual and oral) to compare them with the ones that had harmaline also

what brand of THH did you use...? was it ...[lift mode THH ?...

no, european vendor

ive found that a ..[reversable MAOI] like rue.. increased my visuals with spice ..slowed the trip down enough to navagate and recall better..

Maybe your THH isnt too good?,,,

not a super chemist... And dont want to poison myself in an attempt to make THH..that ive been hearing about so much....

If you want real natural THH..I suggest caapi vine..or caapi leaf..THH is known to be in vine and leaf...



So the question is.... where can you get some genuine THH that isnt bunk?

I think it takes using a reversable MAOI with the spice...to make the spice work at its best and longer duration..

you could just have some rue tea..before vaping [spc] and that is a good 45 minutes or longer simmilar to an .Ayahuasca, experiance only shorter trip...

just my two cents ..

no need to worry, the THH I have is 100% legit. It's just that sublingual DMT requires harmine or harmaline (sublingual or oral) to activate from my testing. At this point I am trying to see how exactly it works and what kind of harmalas are needed. Sublingual DMT isn't like vaped DMT where you don't need harmine or harmaline IMO.
The reasons I know my THH is legit are:
- had actual visions on it+DMT+ sublingual harmalas (even 35 mg can work). Visions of incredibly beautiful women (think Greek goddesses archetypes) are for me one of the hallmarks of THH
- enhances music
- leads to slight dizziness at that dosage but no actual nausea
- powerful mood enhancement for days after I have taken it: less anxiety, and less neuroticism

Follow up from a previous oral experience...

A few months ago I used 60mg of DMT complexed with 2| High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | orally along with 275mg LIFTMODE "THH", 150mg harmine, and 125mg Vitamin C.

I've been wanting to try the same experiment but without the complexation to see if the experience was similar or not.

I finally had a chance to try to experiment this weekend, though it wasn't as similar to the original as I was hoping. I didn't realize I'd have the chance until late in the evening, and I only had 1.5 hours after a somewhat heavy meal (previously I had closer to 3 hours after dinner).

Also, I usually eat a piece of bread about 10 minutes after drinking the dmt to initiate digestion. This time, I only ate a few crackers about 5 minutes after drinking.

My results were that the trip didn't kick in until nearly 2 hours after drinking (it was 35 minutes last time). Also, the visions were much harder to see - though they were there.

I would say this experience was about 1/2-3/4 as strong as the last one when I had complexed the dmt.

Also, I could not sleep for several hours after it wore off this time.

So it turned out to not be a very good experiment for comparison. My takeaway, though, is that the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | probably does increase the efficiency of the dmt so the less can be used with this ROA, but for me the | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | probably increases the strength by 1.5-2x at most over non-complexed dmt. But unless I just decide I don't want to risk using | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | in the future, I'll likely use it every time as I only do this trip a few times a year and I have a bottle full of | High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron) | to use up.

Hi Ava,

At what point in this thread did you first mention complexing the harmine? I must have overlooked that until this last post. You've probably covered this, but did you notice a difference?