After a few batches of goo, I finally got nice pale yellow crystals from this method

Some tips I have that some may find useful-

I didn't have a crockpot to keep the jar warm between shaking up, so instead I used a rice cooker. I put the jar in and filled it to near the brim, then took the jar out and set it to cook (don't forget about it!) After it was fairly hot, I switched it over to warm, which maintained the temperature of the water. I would shake then leave it in the rice cooker on warm until it separated, then repeat. Be sure you don't leave it on cook though, I'm not sure how hot it gets but when actually cooking rice the water boils which may be a hazard. Warm keeps it under boiling but still nice and hot.

As for freezing, I was using the jar method and getting goo every time. What finally got crystals for me was to use one of the pyrex dishes they sell with the red covers. I put the naptha pulls in the dish and let about 1/4 of the Naptha evaporate off uncovered. When I blew on the Naptha, it formed nice clouds. Then I freeze precipitated it overnight as I would with the jar. I took it out in the morning and poured/decanted the excess Naptha off. Next, I put it back in the freezer *important* vertically so the remaining naptha would drip into the corner. After a few hours, I took this out and quickly poured off the few drops of Naptha and propped it against the wall *again vertically* and put a fan blowing on it. For those without a freezer that gets super cold, I found this to be a quick and efficient way to actually get nice crystals instead of melting to goo while you're trying to scrape out the jar.

Thanks to OP for a straightforward and effective tek.

I should be able to scale everything down for a 50g test run correct?

That's sort of strange, because I seemed to get goo from the dishes, crystals in the jars

I think my baking dishes aren't being sealed tight enough with plastic wrap and elastics, however. Although it could also be evaporation issues so I'll try your method of collecting/evaping on my next attempt.

I hate having to scrape the crystals out of the jar, you can never get it all, the dishes are much easier to work with, if I could get crystals to precipitate into them!

Going to add some salt to my solution and do a final pull and once that's collected I'll post my exact method and yield.

I scaled it down to 227g and everything went as planned. I would probably go with at least 100g just so you can get your naphtha nice and saturated on those first pulls. The crystals will precipitate out at room temperature if you do it right

whats the biggest difference from this tek to lets say cybs, the salt?

Cyb basically suggests adding table salt during the basification process which may increase yields, or at worst will do nothing. You can apply that step to most of the STB or AB non-dry teks.

What's even more strange is I haven't been able to repeat the results using the same method. My last pull I got half pure white crystals (the whitest yet ) and half yellow goo. I was able to lightly scrape the crystals off at least and keep them separate from the goo, but that isn't ideal. Nonetheless, the goo is fairly potent

I'll try another pull back in the jar. I could definitely see more crystals in the jar before trying to dry them, but as you said the jar is harder to scrape and I always end up having them melt before I can get them dry. The dish has the advantage of going from the freezer to drying in seconds but doesn't pull as many crystals out for some reason.

I did another run of this, but salted 1250ml of the basified solution w/ about 85g of salt. It was almost too salty I think. Seem to be a few undissolved grains, but the main thing I have to say is my second pull was so saturated my pipette started clogging due to crystals growing in the tip. My jar is pretty much completely coated in crystals that crashed out at room temp.

I too find pyrex tends to give goo or a coating of dust that must be just really small crystals. But that is what I freeze precip in. The NMT heavy goo has a distinct and tasty flavor. I don't struggle too hard to get everything out of the dishes. Just give them a rinse w/ acetone that I then add more spice to to make changa.

Sounds like you got a really nice pull I just started adding salt but I won't see until morning how it turned out.

When you freeze precip in pyrex, do you cover the dish somehow? I'm trying to figure out why I keep getting 50%+ goo with minimal crystals. I used ~200g bark and my pulls are only getting maybe 30-40mg at a time from the basified solution. I'll probably pull more out by adding salt at least, but that seems like quite a low yield.

I just put foil over it. Are you getting the naphtha hot enough? My second pull gave more than my first because it was much warmer than the first that's just the heat from the lye-water reaction. I give the jar two 5-10 minutes baths in recently boiling water and put it in a cooler full of newspaper to keep it warm while they separate. The pipette gets quite hot when decanting. I believe NMT is slightly more soluable in naphtha than DMT and thats why DMT drops out at room temp but NMT doesn't. I'd think hot naphtha would be very important for getting more DMT. Last go around I also found the later pulls had very little goo, I'm guessing that the first few pulls had got almost all the NMT but not all the DMT.

Thanks for the explanation, the NMT vs DMT info makes a lot more sense now. The experience itself seemed more characteristic of NMT as well. It's interesting too because my later pulls (if successful) should yield a purer DMT since my pulls have been mostly NMT. Not that I mind the NMT.

Anyway, I'll try keeping it hotter during mixing. I also just got a magnetic stirrer today and have had it set up for 12 hours. I didn't get hot plate / stirrer combo so I might have to come up with something to keep it warm. I wonder if a longer mixing time would compensate for the lack of heat...

Thanks again, I was blaming the freezer the whole time but it makes perfect sense now that the Naptha wasn't saturated with much DMT to begin with.

Haha sorry I kinda missed the boat on that one --I don't currently have any pictures but I'd be more than happy to post a few when I get the chance.

I followed the tek for the most part, but a made a few small changes just based on other A/B extractions. The changes I made were minor as far as I can remember. According to my notes, I used a little more vinegar and only did 4 acid baths as opposed to 5 (as suggested by the OP). I also did not defat as suggested; I originally planned to re-x everything at the end, but ended up not needing to.

It is my understanding that you want the Naphtha VERY hot and the base solution at room temp and then mix the two together quickly before the naphtha cools (it only takes a second or two to cool, but is long enough ). The temperature difference is what pushes the dmt into the solvent. A lot of people heat BOTH the solvent and the base soup, which I think is not what you want, you want as much of a temperature difference as possible without making the base soup too cold that it instantly cools the naphtha.

Here is the thread for reference post #7- https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=40773

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Has anyone ever thought about defatting with xylene, then pulling with naphtha?

Ah, I've definitely been doing it wrong then in that case. Thanks a lot for the info, I'll read through the linked post as well.

My last pull with salt added looked really nice until I scraped it, then I found there was a thick layer of goo. I did get more than twice the crystals as before, however I got at least twice the goo along with it. Oddly, from ~200g of root bark I've only pulled about a pea sized clump of goo/crystal mix after 3 pulls.

At any rate, I'll try another pull but this time using hot Naptha (heating it safely of course).

EDIT - Pics of last pull (top) and the one previous (bottom).
http://i.imgur.com/6D2DVcA.jpg

Once you add the lye there will be a reaction and this is where building up pressure is most likely, so when adding lye, do it very slowly and just untwist the lid to release pressure as you mix it. It won't blow up on you or anything. BEFORE you add your Naphtha for pulls, you should let your base/lye soup cool to room temp THEN add hot Naphtha (heat in water bath no near open flame of course). At this point there shouldn't be much more of a reaction, but you can untwist the jar lid now and then for good measure... but it won't spew.

And yes, each time you do a boil you are adding new water and vinegar like you did for the first boil, you are then taking wall the boils and reducing them down. Capiche?

Also read the health and safety section if you haven't already. Good luck!

Just to add to this, assuming your jar has one of those lids that you can press and it "pops", you can monitor the pressure buildup with that. I usually shake for a little while and press down to get a feel for the pressure, then unscrew the cap if needed.

I just never use a glass jar, after one exploded.
Nothing worse than glass, naptha and caustic gunk flying in all directions :O

@*oneironaut*
I can't reply to your PM, but to keep it short: bunk / low DMT ACRB might be a distinct possibility. I have a full PM typed out that I had to save in notepad until it lets me send it

However I found something hopeful in my freezer just now. I did a pull on my first batch of basified solution when I only used ~40g root bark. I used hotter naptha this time and more salt. It actually pulled more than my pull from the ~200g batch. I'm going to try hotter nap and more salt on the 200g batch tonight.

Oh forgot about new members not being able to pm... no worries. Does sound hopeful

I look forward to PMing with you WHEN you are a full member. 1 vote down