A quick question I'm reading through this a few times now but can not really find what dose are we talkign about when smoking the grass can anyone chime in on experience wise?

If nothing I'll start real real low and go up slowly.

a quick edit:

If you people are up for it, we could make a Phalaris Chat Room, so one could take notes there as well as post pictures, paralell to the forum threads, maybe easier to ID with less spam here, or such. Anyone has any thoughts on the matter feel free to share!

I only had minor effects from smoking the grass in a joint. I wouldn't recommend. There is no dose with phalaris if not not a known strain. You have to experiment carefully and find out for yourself. One guarenteed way I had full trip effect from phalaris is when I mixed up several species in one brew. Truncata alone with harmala seemed powerful at beginning but subsided very quickly.

Here are some photos of the habit, stem, and foliage. Unfortunately I don't have any seedheads as they aren't in flower. These are not the plants I harvested from, but are grown from the same seed. These are in a smaller pot, and the ones I harvested from which were in a bigger pot sometimes grew with a less apparent clumping habit than the ones in the photos, instead growing quite tall and upright, at least when unrestrained by crowding.

I recently did another bioassay on the same plants that I originally harvested from, and I'm also beginning to wonder if I have aquatica on my hands instead of brachys. 10g of fresh material was used, some of it partially dried on account of me neglecting the grass for the last month, watering it very sparingly (although it has been helped along by rain and cool temperatures). The material came primarily from 2-3 plants that had matured and grown a bit larger than the grass in the photos (but shared the clumping habit, perhaps on account of crowding, I'm not sure), and a bit from many small seedlings with only 2-3 leaves that had been stunted by crowding, although this was all still regrowth. The foliage was boiled in 3 litres of water with half a tbsp of vinegar for 3 hours, reduced down to a 1/2 litre, reserved, then another boil was done with only 2 litres of water and half a tbsp of vinegar, also 3 hours. The boils were combined and reduced down to a shot. 150mg of harmalas were taken at 8:15pm, the mixture drunk at 8:50pm. First effects were felt 9:00-9:05pm, building to a purge around 9:15pm, where the effects were at their peak. Then a slow fall-off of effects until there was essentially nothing happening by 12:00am.

The effects were pretty much was I would have expected if I repeated the first experiment with a third of the plant material. The same unconsciousness, nausea, numbness and heart-rate stuff was all present, building until the purge, after which these effects subsided and the experience became a lot more pleasant, just as in the first experiment albeit a lot more manageable. There was little visual action until the purge, just before and during which there was rainbow colouring over my vision, vibrant visuals reminiscent of an oil slick, although these were both extremely short-lived, disappearing almost completely once I got done throwing up. There was no 'trip', really, unlike the first experiment with 30g. It was more like regular consciousness with side effects. The effects wore off surprisingly quickly, the whole thing only lasting 3-4 hours.

Having had both experiences, I realise that the shocking potency (the fact that 10g fresh does anything at all is pretty amazing) plus the unpredictable side effects and chemical constituents of the plants (as well as their unknown interactions with MAOIs) make oral phalaris brews a very risky prospect, only really for those a lot braver than I am. I'm not very fond of feeling like I've seriously poisoned myself. Perhaps trying some more extractions to make a safer smokeable product is a better way to go for me. There are other plants/mushrooms that can give the same intensity and depth of psychedelic experience without the extremely unnerving prospect of being seriously ill and having no idea if you'll be ok, so for the moment I might stick to them. The sheer potency of phalaris (at least brachys, or whatever it is I have), and the ease that it can be grown means I'll certainly keep experimenting with it in some way or another, but I'm not sure if this route is for me. Good luck to all you guys though Be careful!

Thanks for sharing, Titus. The brachy I have appears to be safer than yours. I never got unconsciousness or heart rate disturbance from it. Those I got from aquatica. Brachy has a potential for sure, waiting for the right person in the right circumstances will choose to work with it. I never felt had such a clear and powerfully "içsel channeling" experience with other DMT admixture plants with rue.

Smokable extracts are interesting too...

Thanks for all the replies and the pictures titus, do you maybe have older pictures of the parent plant of those one I'd like to see a few mature pics if possible, and will post some of mine hunted the following days..

Unfortunately not . I definitely should've taken photos when they were in flower, but apparently this didn't cross my mind. I remember that the seedheads were on average 3cm long from mature plants, and did not appear particularly elongated and were more ovoid in shape. They had a clumping habit, as far as a remember, and did not grow very upright. The plants without the flowering spike were usually around 15-20cm tall (all these plants were in their own pot and had plenty of space), and the flowering spike was usually 20-30cm tall. This is all from memory, so take all this with a heavy grain of salt, but I hope it might be of some help.

I'm trying to ID some wild phalaris, but am un sure because the weeds look similar. Gonna post a few pictures here, if any of them seem like phalaris please let me know. Thank you

a quick edit, i see some of teh pictures are hard to go through, i'll take better pictures but if anyone is good with id'ing give me some tipps and tricks

In these photos i don't see phalaris but the first one may be a Dactylis Glomerata, one is an Hordeum Murinum.
Both of them contains gramine and indole alkaloids.
Effects of these plants are unknown.
Some experiments with Dactylis revealed light effects but with other tryptamines there was side effects.

Orally phalaris extracts are poisonous.
The better ways for safely tripping with this plant is making mixtures with cannabis thc (i've called this mixture'phalahash' (phalaris extract maked with vinegar and clay)).
An other good mixture is to cook 95% phalaris grass with 5% mhrb for obtaining a 'like aq1 product'. This extract is better when maked with a/b and then using C7.

JustB612

Your grasses are Dactylis Glomerata and looks to be Festuca species.
There's also some Hordeum(barley) species poking out.

Cats like to nibble Orchard Grass(Dactylis) so if you collect some seeds and grow some sprouts your cats or your friends' cats would be happy.

Various Hordeum species have a long history of human use as a food crop and beer making.

Some Festuca has been found to contain Harmala alkaloids.


It is certainly possible you felt effects from the grass but was most likely not tryptamines.
Hordeum seedlings have seen detection of Hordenine in some samples.

Snu Voogelbreinder mentioned in a lecture that smoked phenethylamines can potentially increase the duration of tryptamines.

Could be a soup of phytochemicals in the grasses

Dear Era/is,

Is it possible for you to explain the distillation process step by step, in detail?

I got the impression that there is no water infusion involved, is that right?

Does clay serve to filter the extract besides preventing the material from burning? Does the plant vapor have a more pure/healthier content than the simmered water infusion?




Chimp, as far as I understand you don't get significant side effects from your oral phalaris brews. That means that long simmer time does not draw in more of the unwanted. So far I have just done two quick 15 minute simmers, and it has not been side effect free (never serious side effects with brachy, just starting off with sedation). Are you positive that the long simmers work better?

Here is a rogue brachystachys which I moved to a tiny pot when I recognized it, with some rue seedlings in the background. I couldnt sow seeds this year but hope to do so this fall.

Does anybody have knowledge about the viability pattern of Phalaris brachystachys seeds? I produced quite a lot of seeds in Spring 2021 but did not sow them in the fall, and I intend to sow them this fall. I know that it is not like rue which stays viable through many years, it does not have alkaloids to protect it from rotting, and it is nutritious.

My recent dried grass experiments have convinced me to continue pursuing this grass and mass produce it to go deeper. This grass is a legitimate medicine and source of light. I did not get any negative effects and it's chacruna-like power is really something.

Another question. Does anybody know how growing phalaris in a greenhouse might affect its content?

Hey people

I have a hard time Identifying Phalaris in the wild. I will probably just order a few seeds but in the time waiting I'd like to get some wild ones as endlessness offered a lab for testing alkaloid contents and it would be lovely if we could use that to have more research on this grass.

So my question, anyone could upload an anonym video somewhere of phalaris grasses, 5-60 sec is enough, just to have a bigger picture, beucase the online photos are so similar to Bunch of grass I have here its confusing!

Also, I can easily set up greenhouses and such, so we could test that aswell as soon as I get my hands on some grass......

I don't see how a video would be better than photos for identification. You have to educate yourself on some key features. The panicles are a good place to start as they really cannot be confused with other grass.

Most of the pictures i see either its hard to tell how big it is how how they look, or its too specific. Somehow looking at a bunch of grasses I Dont even know what I should be searching for .... So a video is a frame of a few pictures, could see how big or small it is compared to other plants etc

As dithyramb suggests, it would be a good idea to familiarise yourself with the botany of grasses a little more. Terms like "ligules", "glumes" and what-have-you need not be a mystery and they will give you the linguistic handles to see more than just a bunch of grass.

If that fails to help, maybe get some new spectacles.

Apparently Dmt-n-oxide is found in large quantities in Phalaris.

What is the difference in effects between DMT and Dmt-n-oxide?

Brennendes Wasser found semisynthetic DMT-N-oxide to be inactive by vaporization. AFAIK, no one has expressly tested it in an oral formulation.

Thanks dwz. I am not clear on how water soluble n oxide is.

Here is a question. What is the best time to sow brachystachys seeds in your experience? I am tempted to sow them now and not wait for fall so that I can start getting harvests earlier, and perhaps the plants will grow larger with having more time outside of the winter cold, but I am afraid that they will flower before the winter and die, also be because of the stimulation of the warmth. If they don't flower soon, they will flower at the end of next Spring and that will be optimal.

A musing I had about aquatica... It's probable that it is better an entheogen without rue, alone, or perhaps with Russian olive. Suspiciously, there are multiple reports of good experiences from brews with Russian olive and aquatica, and RO most likely does not turn some ingredients in aquatica into poison.