first of all, what makes you think that usa has any right to military invade a country in the first place? this vacum in the world you are talking about, wasnt it mostlty created by USA politics all over the world? you shouldnt be looking for a HOW, we all non USA world are looking for a WHY. how claim the usa as the police of the world?

Where in the above did I say the USA has any right to military invasion of another country? I don't think we've touched on the subject of international rights. Maybe start another thread if you feel the need to go there.

At this point, I don't really care about the "Why?" - Only the "How [do I fix this problem]?"

Regardless of whether or not we should be in other countries makes no difference on the fact that we are - and many of these countries have become dependent on American security.

Ok, here's the thing...put on your sarcasm helmet and here we go...the US won this "right" after world war II. At this time in history we had 50% of the GLOBAL wealth/resources. Initially US planners had been creating a "grand area" that the US would seek to control after the war...namely the Western Hemisphere and whatever we could get our hands on in Europe.

However, once it was realized that both Germany and the USSR were going to be radically different following the War, the initial plan for a "grand area" was scrapped and the planners essentially decided that given the way things panned out, the entire world was our oyster. Thus we launched programs throughout the global south and the Western Hemisphere as well as things like NATO to help keep the Russians in check and encroach East as the years permit (seriously, study a history of NATO, the Eastward expansion is mind boggling, and ongoing today as the US remains the only country actively seeking to militarize space).

Anyway, that's the how and the why...there was a power vacuum in a globalized state system that called for hegemony according to every piece of mainstream political theory that existed (and much that still exists) and the US was in the perfect position to assume the role of hegemon.

I'm not saying it's fair or right or anything...the imperial policies of the US have had some of the most horrific/devastating outcomes, but, it's undeniable that we are the fading hegemon and, until the past decade, were the undisputed top dog. Why do we claim to be able to police the world? We are protecting our interests...listen to any of the rhetoric...American interests do not mean the wants and needs of the people...that would be like saying janitors and CEO's have the same wants/needs.

American interests refer to the business elite...so we protect those and might makes right. Who's going to stop us? Look at the past 60 years, from Laos to Nam to Cambodia to Iraq...look at the political assassinations and juntas we sponsored throughout South America...look at the political assassinations we sponsored at home. We will do whatever we want to protect our interests because we are the playground behemoth.

This is undeniable...we do not have the moral right to invade or police countries, but it is incredibly naive to act as though we don't or as though you cant trace the reasons why. Yea, it would be wonderful if this wasn't the way it was, but it is, so in that sense the thread title applies and people need to wake up to this.

What a1pha said, regardless of the how or the why it happened, we are there now and can't just disappear, it would create such turmoil as has never been imagined in regions around the world.

USA has been the main leader in world degradation for the last 3 decades at least. PEOPLE on the USA has to start a revolution on its own country, to stablish a free goverment and reverse all that USA goverment has done all over this years. offcourse every country has its part to do, but theres no other country in America (the continent) that has the power to stop all this madness and im not talking about the corrupted goverment that is ruling right now, im taking about its people taking power. I dont see riots in the USA.. are there happening? like they are happening in europe and latin america?

i see USA politics getting worse. i have seen an statement from USA that have claimed Mexico as incapable of ruling ourselves hence using that excuse to military invade us. Does the population of the USA do really care about this abuses? i wonder if people in america are awared that the luxury they live in is all bathed in blood. i wonder if they care that your abundant cheap weapons are causing thousands of deaths on our territory, and enrichening USA ofcourse.

How do we fix this problem? USA population has to lead a revolution, either pacific or violent. this thread is wake up america, i dont think I have to open a new thread for my opinion.

I must say im amazed at how clear you have put things here and I totally agree, my only question is ( since I never go to USA)whats the peoples position on this? are they ok having this predator goverment? are they ok with all the lives that have been shatered by USA interests? should people stand against this? or is USA population really confy swiming in all this suffering that has been caused because of the interest of a country?

what do you think of this you guys:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/hateamerica.html

caliwa,

While the link is interesting, it does not have much to do with what we're talking about here (international disdain of the US). The issue at hand is Paul's politics, so lets not derail the thread (again).

Thank you.

olympus mon, the three threads I made are not about the same topic, each thread is its own talking point. I have to say for a bunch of people sick of my Ron paul threads you guys sure love posting in them. Its gonna take me a bit to digest all thats been posted here, BTW I did not say I would keep making threads I said I would keep plugging Ron Paul, I can do that in existing threads . you misquoted me.

A1pha , I'm allowed to have an opinion on american politics as a canadian and as far as I know I'm allowed to post that opinion here. When the Us economy collapses and hyperinflation hits there's going to be americans coming up here like there is Mexicans coming up to america. The Us drug policy also puts pressure on canada to be strict against drugs as well. the list goes on of all the ways Canadians are affected by american policy.

2 points...

1) The thread didn't blow up to 10 pages, the three threads were combined.

2) (As stated by at least two posters aside from myself) The questions of how he will make good on any of his promises have not only been unanswered, they've been shown to be impossible (i.e. they do not fall in the president's prerogative). So what exactly are you plugging/why is this thread still going (and how is it any different than if I were to make a thread to plug Barney the Dinosaur for president and just unequivocally rail on and on without acknowledging that Presidents must be human and an American citizen)?

I've answered this before but Ill answer it again, I'm not aware of Ron Paul making any direct promises of things he will do, I know of things he would like to try to do things and that to me is enough. if theres a will theres a way as far as I'm concerned. At least with Ron Paul there is a will to make changes rather than everyone else that just wants more of the same.

If you have any Ron paul quotes where hes promising he will and can do something for sure I'd like to see it so I can address it , maybe you'll expose him as the liar you think he is.

so your saying that a lot of things that Ron paul would like to see happen will never happen because it will never get voted on in his favor , my question is how do you know the results of votes before they have happened ?

It seems to me your calling him a liar for having policy ideas that will never fly , even though they have never been put to a vote with him as president ...... you should help me pick lottery numbers.

No, I'm saying things like changing federal funding or budgets or ending the war on drugs or a whole host of other things he has promised (according to him, you and others, many of which have been presented in the conglomeration of these three threads) are literally beyond his power as president. If you have to rely on others to accomplish something, you can't promise a given outcome. I really don't feel like going through this again right now, I think it is fairly well addressed over the prior 10 pages...I thought we had already covered this.

I've heard Ron Paul say that hes not sure if he can stop it all, hes claimed its like trying to stop a battleship thats going to hit an iceberg with a wooden ore.

The one thing I keep saying over and over that no one seems to acknowledge is that he is the only candidate willing to TRY to make changes, hes promised he will TRY not DO for sure, Unless you can give me some quotes where he says for sure he can do somthing he can't

I dont think he can stop it all..I think it is naive for him to even assume for one second that he can. Just like other presidents he will become nothing more than a rediculous puppet in my opinion, reguardless of how sincere he is about wanting to make a difference. I dont believe that presidents have anything near the power that the masses are led to believe they have. I fully believe there is not one but many aspects to a secret government working behind the scenes.

No I am not talking about one single elite Illuminati group..I am talking about the fact that we assume that there is such a thing as a "government". I dont believe there is such a thing. I think there are various governing factions made up of industrial elitists etc, that are above the president and they are not all in agreement..they are not some singular illuminati group. They are all fighting with each other in some deluded attempt for power and controll and what we know as the "government" is a sort of puppet or medium they use and that is it..not really a conspiracy theory either it just seems that is reality to me..people are never THAT organized that one single unit co-exists at the top without any disagreement.

I think presidents when elected become puppets for these people whether they like it or not. That is the way the pyramid works..

It would be nice if I could believe that Ron Paul would save the world..but I dont. I dont believe hillary clinton, obama nor ron paul can do that, reguardles of how much they might want to. Only we can save ourselves. Ron Paul says alot of nice things, but so what? Alot of people say these things all the time..I hear people talk about all sorts of things while doing the exact opposite..

People are in power becasue money talks. Does not matter who they are..they are there because at some point people invested in them..We need to start seriousily concidering who it is that every single dollar we spend is going to..and it is not easy, but it is the responsiple thing to do. That IMO is far more powerful than voting for any one person. There are ways to deal with taxes etc as well..give to charity and claim it back on your taxes. I know of people who actaully refuse to pay taxes to support our military. It might seem extreme but this is what needs to happen at this time I think. Instead of putting your faith in one other person claiming power, make use of the power you do still have.

I am NOT against Ron Paul at all nor do I think he is a bad person. I do however think that putting faith in the political process at this point becomes more of a diversion than anything else.

I mostly agree with you fractal except I do think there probably is an Illuminati at the top of it all. I think they are Ancient bloodlines that have been in power behind the scenes for thousands of years and I do think they are calling a lot of shots.

I think Ron paul is just a figurehead or a rallying point for all the people that are fed up with the system.

I also don't think that the political system or one leader is going to save us but it does seem to me like people are waking up to the fact they are being screwed and Ron Paul is partly responsible for that.

I agree with most of what you say but basically all I'm saying here is that if I had to vote for someone I would vote for Ron Paul, if not for the fact he will actually make big changes just for the fact hes exposing corruption unlike any other candidate.

I don't think hes bought and paid for like everyone else, its just the overall sense I have of him.

No I dont think he has the same level of "investment" behind him either, compared to people like obama..and that is why corperations like FOX news and other significant media outlets blackball him. He probabily has good intentions that do not allign with those or large corperations.

I don't believe this system can be fixed. It's damaged beyond repair. It will collapse. There will be chaos and anarchy. And I'm just curious what will emerge out of that.

Jon Stewart Destroys Media For Ignoring Ron Paul


http://www.prisonplanet....wart-destroys-media.html



Critical Mass is being reached.

to wake up one must sleep first , it might be time that USA goes to sleep so it can wake up

ray you're so enthusiastic and full of passion just like ron paul , but you must know that nothing will change , the world will still be the same man

put your energy in something much more creative brother , this whole political issue does nothing more than feed off your precious energy

peace