The truth about DMT is:

Either its everything for you
Or its nothing for you

For 99,9999% its nothing.
Stop fucking taking it, you will not find the solution.

I am so unbelievably sorry for you, but I cannot change it.

I am only searching for the 0.0001 % here.

Please do not delete me here because of anger, jealousy, or whatever bad feeling you might get reading this. You are all worth to be loved and you got the full life with all its possibilities. Love yourself! Be true to yourself! Thats the ultimate wisdom.

This is so far all I can tell you about DMT.

I am so sorry...

I think you need to elaborate on whatever your particular theory or perspective is regarding DMT so we have something to converse over. At the moment it just comes across as a bit rude and scattered as there's not enough substance in your post.

What is your angle? Have you taken DMT and had negative experiences, or seen others have negative reactions?

Exactly as he said ^


and to quote our forum rules in the attitude page:



So unless you can provide better arguments and give some room for discussion instead of preaching, then yes this post will be removed, and not out of anger or jealousy, but simply because it goes against the forum rules which you agreed to when you signed up.

This does not match my personal experience.



What solution?

I don't know what this is all about.

Okay, I fully understand... but..

The point is easy:I just cannot explain it with words to someone who is not able to understand it. For someone who did never see what I saw... or better say: understood.

I did never have any bad experience with dmt.. from the first time, I knew, my life would have been wasted, if I had never experienced it.

Maybe a little more, that might confuse you: I dont care shit about patterns, aliens or whatever you guys are finding so faszinating. I know the Jester and the optics, but thats the completely pointless part about my trips. In fact those things vanish when I start making full use of my brainpower. Try to see these visions as emergency unloads of your brain, when its not fully working, because youre blocked.

What really matters in my trips is the ability to understand everything. I have to say, I was allways understanding a lot more than all the people around me. Even without dmt. But with... well, you should just watch me and listen to my words, when I am on a turn... my freind, who mainly sees rather dark visions is pretty depressed seeing me and listening to what I say in that absolute hyperstate...

Sounds like the portal opened in Germany recently. Witnesses seeking "truth" found only infinite riddles.

Gosh darn documentaries appear to have been somewhat misleading.

OK, i wish someone, who understands me, would find my post and write something..

But if you wish to know more and more and more.. heres something:

1. DMT is not for dummies. And:

2. DMT is not for people, who have problems, to accept the sad truth.

Because:

1. Intelligence is like the engine of a car and DMT is a NOS system. If you put a NOS in a fucking Corolla, your driving experience might be interesting, but still limited and maybe a little threatening..
Because with a lack of intelligence, chances are good to make the 2nd point even worse:

2. Beeing able to be true to yourself is like the undercarriage of your racing car. It might be enough for normal drive, but once you push the Nos button, you cant stop your car, so consider well, if your car is able to take the ride.. it is no bad idea to make some meditation, but a wellness day before a dmt turn wont surely cut it. You gotta spent a lot time in meditation to change your underconsciousness...

Edit: Finally theres a 3rd factor: the driver. How do you actually use your brain, thinking patterns, knowledge, experience, whats your approach to things, how well can you concentrate, etc. All this is finally needed to actively drive your mind through the turn.

You have to give us more than this, with words - how else are we able to have a conversation otherwise? Not sure if English is your first language or not, but your tone could be construed as confrontational; what is it you want to talk about? No one minds theories or ideas, but you have to frame it right or you just come across as a preacher.



What do you perceive when those things vanish? When you say 'blocked', what is blocked and why?



What is your point of comparison for claiming to understand everything, for understanding more than someone else? Perhaps I'm not interpreting your post correctly but I'd be careful with that belief of superiority, especially if you're utilizing substances.. you might get muddled up mentally if you don't stay grounded.

I'm not even sure i want to understand anything while on DMT. To me it's more like aiminglessly wandering around. Getting thrown around by forces i don't understand.



This i can sort of relate to....

I personally don't care if "dummies" vape dmt. Why would i?

@obliguhl:

Okay, I understand.. But DMT is not my life. Trips are 0.000something of my lifetime, affordable, and wont surely kill me. But my trips make my life so much more... and to find certain answers.. Also I hope to find people who experience spice like me, because I know, if they are able to handle turns like I do, we will have a lot in common on a deeper level as well. So.. "everything" in a metaphoric way.

And "nothing" just means, if you fuck up in your trips, dont touch spice anymore! Youre not able, youre not ready, accept the sad truth.. and its written in the forum here: opening closed doors can be dangerous for some people.. the other "nothing" i mean, is that visions stuff. Okay, its not nothing, but not that much more in my eyes. Especially trying to find messages in whatever has been seen.. alien here, joker there.. thats really pointless stuff and will never lead to much enlightement. Sure, if you find a nice way to regard it, maybe it helps.. but thats not the big deal in my eyes.

And solution.. someone wrote about videos also.. isnt that what people seek in spice? Finding new technologies by contacting aliens.. or solve problems in their underconsciousness..

Sure, many do not expect anything and then get those doors opened in the trip, getting confronted with problems.. but that mostly wont solve them.. because they wont get new informations about it, during the door is open.. from where should they come? its absolutly uncontrolled.

During my most intense experience, there was indeed ..well...nothing, or close to nothing.
Just the End and the Beginning. I found it quite curious since you'd normally get a lot of imagery, alien contact and whatnot.



I sort of stopped after the door closed because it would be meaningless to force something i think.

Well, good luck finding the right people...

A much sadder truth perhaps. You can only keep believing that you "understand everything", as long as you don't specify anything that you "understand".

If there is a kind of understanding that automatically seems to evaporate, the moment you try to put it into words.....then maybe it wasn't realy understanding. Maybe it was just a state of being. Or maybe the thing you understood was just yourself. Or maybe it was understanding itself, that you understood, for just that fleeting moment.

Maybe it was all just "being in the moment".

Needs 4 posts to say nothing actually
Been there done that myself, I understand completely

Me too!

@Dragonrider
You are right with beeing in the moment and all this of course. Thats in the nature of dmt. Something everyone got.

Understanding everything, that can be solved with the knowledge I got. What else should I be able to understand? The vape doesnt contain any information. And during the trip, perception of the outer world gets reduced to a minimum. Also of course, with the access to subconsciousness I can see what I really want.

@obliguhl
The patterns are allways there, but thinking is so much more satisfying for me in that state than watching, I do not pay the least attention to them.. maybe from time to time, i am beeing distracted by the show, but then I am falling back into my thoughts about all the things in my life, people i know, things I find interesting at the moment.. its like standing in the disco and trying to concentrate..

And the other thing is not what I mean with fucking up trips. I mean negative trips.

@Jees, Loveall, TGU
I am sorry for you

Well...

I feel sorry for you too, my friend.

It just seems to me that all you want here is confirmation bias. Not everyone adheres to your belief system, by the way. Speaking in absolutes makes it very hard to take you seriously.



This does not match my personal experience at all either.

Why not really? Analogies about racing cars is very vague and doesn't really cut it.

Who are we to judge the value and content of others experiences, or their path to find contentment?


Says who? There's many paths to changing the way you think.

Something that psychedelic users and religious zealots alike should pay heed of is that their truth is not the truth. No one has exclusive license on reality, only on perception.

Everyone may belief in whatever he or she wants to believe. What I am writing is allways my personal opinion and my personal truth, that should be obvious enough. I am certain, I am right. I dont care whether you believe me or not.

My inate post was ment as a warning for those, who have bad dmt trips... and i was hoping that someone wojld confirm my opinion. It was never my intention to explain something unexplainable with such a pittyful thing like words. All this is absolutely pointless in my opinion.

With everything else I posted, its the same. You can handle your turns however you wish or can. If you prefer letting your mind loose and watch the show, do that. I do not care. I prefer to handle it in a different way and I am convinced about it. And btw: I consider the analogy with the racing car the best possible one, I can think of. If in your opinion DMT opens a gate to alien space, please, I will not bother you or post stupid flame replies. My time is too precious for this bullshit and also its too precious to convince you about anything. Especially I am not gonna defend against really low level attacks..

And TGO: I explained that everything or nothing metaphor in detail. Read.

@admin: close the thread please, this is making me sick..

Look, there is no need to be rude. I can read just fine, but sure, resort to personal attacks against my intelligence and reading comprehension.

If you think people questioning or asking you to elaborate on what you have to say on a public forum is "attacking you" then you need to rethink some things. If you had stated that these were your personal beliefs from the beginning, instead of absolutes, you would likely get less critical responses.

But like you said, you don't care because you're right no matter what.





This thread is making me sick too. At least we can agree on that.