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Acacia soxhlet extraction Options
 
fabio88ct
#1 Posted : 1/8/2015 9:32:07 PM

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#2 Posted : 1/9/2015 4:22:14 AM

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I could see the reasoning behind using a soxhlet for the extraction of polyphenols/phenolic compounds, but there's no advantage to using one for the extraction of alkaloids. lyse, acid-base chemistry.
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#3 Posted : 1/9/2015 6:01:35 AM

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I could see the reasoning behind using a soxhlet for the extraction of polyphenols/phenolic compounds, but there's no advantage to using one for the extraction of alkaloids. lyse, acid-base chemistry.


Do you consider continuous heavy phase liquid-liquid extractions soxhleting?
 
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#4 Posted : 1/9/2015 6:29:11 PM

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no.
soxhlet is solid-liquid. CLLE is entirely different, something i'd like to acquire as I don't have an app for it.
most are set up for use with haloforms, since they are heavier than water..it's rare to find a lighter-than-water setup.
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You can get a setup that does both...




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#6 Posted : 1/10/2015 2:17:13 AM

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or get a gregar extractor.
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#7 Posted : 1/10/2015 3:53:16 AM

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or get a gregar extractor.


I saw one the other day that was designed much like a soxhlet , it had a collection tube that allowed for light phase extraction.

What I do personally when pulling into a light phase solvent, is I'll pour my light phase solvent into a glass burette with somenglass beads. Then drip the heavy phase down into it, often tying a hand warmer around the upper portion of thensolvent.

I'll allow the heavy phase to build up and open the stopcock so that the addition/sep funnel and burret release the heavy phase at an equal rate.

Works alright.
 
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#8 Posted : 1/10/2015 3:56:31 AM

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nice. how much?
the cheapest i've seen is ~$549 , and that doesn't include the aux. condenser.
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#9 Posted : 1/10/2015 4:01:37 AM

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nice. how much?
the cheapest i've seen is ~$549 , and that doesn't include the aux. condenser.


They wanted me to call them for a quote, probably 3-500. Either way I have enough soxhlet condensers to not need to worry.
 
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#10 Posted : 1/10/2015 4:17:08 AM

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sell 'em and get a sonicator Big grin
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#11 Posted : 1/10/2015 5:15:55 AM

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I got one for 500ml capacity but I've only used it once x)
 
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#12 Posted : 1/10/2015 5:19:57 AM

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a sonicator?
that bad boy will reduce extraction times 9-fold, at least.

i prefer to use that over the soxhlet, no question.

sonicate a dilute acidic sol'n, vac filter, basify, extract, and rotavap. all that can be accomplished within an hour.
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#13 Posted : 1/10/2015 8:00:46 AM

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benzyme wrote:
a sonicator?
that bad boy will reduce extraction times 9-fold, at least.

i prefer to use that over the soxhlet, no question.

sonicate a dilute acidic sol'n, vac filter, basify, extract, and rotavap. all that can be accomplished within an hour.



So I can just sonicate a citric acid mixture, vac filter into a sep funnel (I have a jointed filter) , basify with alkaline solution, mix in my solvent, dump the bottom / chloro layer, rotovap, extract with dilute heptane, clean with a tiny amount of AC, filter, centrifuge, reduce solvent volume/warm it, and cool slowly..

I should have a brilliant field of clear needlepoints within hours :3!

Having the right tools for the job rocks Very happy!

 
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#14 Posted : 1/10/2015 11:36:40 AM

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yep, sure does.
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#15 Posted : 1/18/2015 9:47:21 PM

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hey guys what do you think about the ethanol extraction of alkoloids with a soxhlet? it's a good tek? Do you suggest any solvent instead of ethanol? acetone probably?
 
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#16 Posted : 1/19/2015 1:17:07 AM

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fabio88ct wrote:
hey guys what do you think about the ethanol extraction of alkoloids with a soxhlet? it's a good tek? Do you suggest any solvent instead of ethanol? acetone probably?


Keep in mind you are trying to dissolve acidic alkaloids. Not every solvent will play the part. It *will* work, but other methods work better.
 
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#17 Posted : 1/19/2015 1:21:26 AM

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indeed.
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#18 Posted : 1/22/2015 1:47:50 PM

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1ce wrote:
fabio88ct wrote:
hey guys what do you think about the ethanol extraction of alkoloids with a soxhlet? it's a good tek? Do you suggest any solvent instead of ethanol? acetone probably?


Keep in mind you are trying to dissolve acidic alkaloids. Not every solvent will play the part. It *will* work, but other methods work better.


simple A/B extraction?
 
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#19 Posted : 1/22/2015 7:45:43 PM

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yes.
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#20 Posted : 1/23/2015 1:36:33 AM

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benzyme wrote:
yes.


There is one advantage I see using a soxhlet, and that is for an acid/water boil. It has the benefit of separating you bark from the liquid, simplifying the filtration part of the process. But soxhlet money would be better spent on a vac filtration/sep funnel setup.
 
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