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I've been thinking about novels ways to smoke cannabis that might be a little less obvious than smoking buds. The goal is to be able to circumvent the "Public Consumption" laws in CO by creating something with all the psychoactive properties of cannabis, without the identifying smell and in a form that doesn't look like buds if inspected. I thought about making a kind of cannabis changa (changabis? cannga?) and this is what I've come up with. I've done the theoretical work, and I'm almost positive it will get results. I have yet to do a proof of concept. Forgive me if this has come up before. I did some research, and while there's a lot on oils and extracts, nothing on cannabis enhanced leaf. EDIT: Thanks to the folks below who helped me refine this.  1) Take your buds and grind them up, the finer, the better. If you have some kief, feel free to throw that in as well. Bake at 150 degrees C (~300 degrees F) 2) Use naptha, heptane, or butane (they don't need to be pre-warmed). 3) Add your powdered cannabis to the NP Solvent and agitate 4) After 5-10 minutes, filter the NP Solvent. Repeat step 3 once or twice more. 5) Consolidate your NP solvent pulls into a pyrex pan and allow it to evaporate off. 6) Collect the residue, dissolve in pure acetone. 6.5) Filter the acetone. Any residue will not be active, discard that stuff. Throw in your inoffensive, legal leaf (peppermint is tasty!). 7) Evaporate the acetone, infusing the cannabinoids into your leaf. Now, in theory, you should be left with a pretty potent product (maybe you could make super-potent enhanced leaf, like you do with salvia) that, when smoked, doesn't smell as profoundly dank as raw bud matter. Thoughts? "There are many paths up the same mountain."
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I have a bit of experience with this… I use the waste cannabis from my vaporizer and extract the cannabinoids from it. I have put the resulting goo on mullein, and also tried consuming it in capsules, both work great. You can make some pretty strong fake cannabis (stronger than the best weed) this way.
Your basic procedure is pretty much exactly the one I use. I usually let the cannabis sit in the naphtha for 5-10 minutes, then filter and repeat at least once more. If you let it sit too long, you will start to pull chlorophyl from the cannabis.
You will find that the naphtha will dissolve some stuff that isn't soluble in acetone - It is usually dark brown and not sticky to the touch. I just filter and discard the residue, it isn't active as far as I can tell.
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arcologist wrote:Your basic procedure is pretty much exactly the one I use. I usually let the cannabis sit in the naphtha for 5-10 minutes, then filter and repeat at least once more. If you let it sit too long, you will start to pull chlorophyl from the cannabis. I have to second this. Also, you really don't need to warm the naptha up. Just room temp will suffice beautifully. If you wanted a bit cleaner extract, you could also use bestine in the place of naptha. I like where you're headed with this though. I've only used this technique to produce oil without using butane. The infused leaf idea is great for our current police state. Convert a melodic element into a rhythmic element...
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How is the THC smell in this method? Can the base herb overpower that smell? Creator help me live in a way that will make my ancestors proud.
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You can also use cold Everclear to extract. Freeze your herb and all glass vessels and Everclear (192 is best but 152 will work fine) in a freezer at the coldest setting for at least 24 hours. Pour Everclear over herb to cover it all and shake for 3 minutes, then filter using a glass vessel and coffee filter. You will get most of the goodies out the first time, but you can always to a second or third run if wanted. Collect all filtered Everclear together and pour into glass baking dish to evap. At this point you can add in leafy material if you want to have cannabis infused leaf or just let it evap into a shatter glass material like Jolly rancher candy or honey oil consistency depending on your starting material. The near freezing temp of the Everclear liquid and the short contact time does not allow the Everclear to pick up Chlorophyl or plant waxes but should pick up full spectrum cannabis/cannibinoids that are active. I like vaping this shatter or honey oil in vape pens made for thick oils and waxes and sometimes add some e-cig juice with flavors but no nicotine to make it taste and smell fruity. No one knows what it really is, but it is potent! Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous.
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I prefer to smoak buds myself, but I can see your reasons for wanting something that doesn't smell like pot or hash.
I'd only extract oil from a lesser grade weed and then isomerise it to "value add" if you like.
Maybe isomerisation could be an additional step for extracts from lower quality herb for this method ?
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Muskogee Herbman wrote:How is the THC smell in this method? Can the base herb overpower that smell? The smell is largely due to terpenes, not THC. I use pre-vaped cannabis, so the smell is very minimal since the terpenes have already been vaporized. Even when smoking my mullein THC leaf, it doesn't really smell like weed. If you use plain green bud, you will get more of the smelly bits since they are still with the plant. I suppose you could also bake your bud in an oven at around 150 C to get rid of most of the smell without losing any actives.
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MelCat wrote:arcologist wrote:Your basic procedure is pretty much exactly the one I use. I usually let the cannabis sit in the naphtha for 5-10 minutes, then filter and repeat at least once more. If you let it sit too long, you will start to pull chlorophyl from the cannabis. I have to second this. Also, you really don't need to warm the naptha up. Just room temp will suffice beautifully. If you wanted a bit cleaner extract, you could also use bestine in the place of naptha. I like where you're headed with this though. I've only used this technique to produce oil without using butane. The infused leaf idea is great for our current police state. You mean heptane, right? Arcologist: how long to you suggest baking the plant matter at 150 C for? "There are many paths up the same mountain."
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This thread got really interesting with the all of the replies. That being said, I thought the whole goal was to ahem...' theoretically' circumvent the law. The only way to achieve this is to have the police confront you, thinking that what you're smoking is illegal in public, and put your 'legal herbs' into a test kit to be sure. Your extracts will render a positive result, and you'd get fined, right? Or did I miss completely the aim of this thread.... I may be under the pleasantly intoxicating effects of such a compound, now...   
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Adjhart wrote:This thread got really interesting with the all of the replies. That being said, I thought the whole goal was to ahem...' theoretically' circumvent the law. The only way to achieve this is to have the police confront you, thinking that what you're smoking is illegal in public, and put your 'legal herbs' into a test kit to be sure. Your extracts will render a positive result, and you'd get fined, right? Or did I miss completely the aim of this thread.... I may be under the pleasantly intoxicating effects of such a compound, now... It's so that you don't draw attention to yourself. If I'm waking down main street something that reeks of weed, I'm going to draw unfortunate attention to myself. If it doesn't smell at all, no will notice and no alarms will be raised. If the cops did catch you and demanded to see what you're smoking, it wouldn't, at first glance, look or smell anything like cannabis. It wouldn't stand up to intensive chemical testing (and you'll still fail your drug test), but it should pass a sensory inspection. How many cops are carrying around chemical testing kits. If there's nothing that smells like pot, and nothing that looks like pot, there's no probable cause. Blessings ~ND "There are many paths up the same mountain."
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From my understanding, most police officers in the US actually do carry a basic reagent-type testing kit, which they use to identify drugs in the field. That way if they pull someone over and find a plastic bag full of white powder in their car, the cops can determine whether it's cocaine or laundry detergent without jailing the person and waiting for the results of a thorough chemical analysis. Just FYI  I like the idea behind this thread I have definitely thought of doing something like this, but I've never followed through with it. Let us know if you try it! 
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Kief is traditionaly the top cola of a morocan kief plant ........ NOT a hash plant . Its measured = They look at the top cola and count the first six bud leaves downwards . That is cut off and chopped up to a fine powder = Kief . In ketama there are basicly two sorts of plants = Hash plants that are grown to make hash from and kief plants especialy grown to make kief . I am autism spectum ........ please dont burn me at the stake for being honest .
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winterizing and decarboxylation are said to remove terpenoids (and thus any identifying smells) from extracted material.. it wouldn't taste fantastic, but it wouldn't smell like anything obvious, i don't think. My wind instrument is the bong
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Parshvik -- what do you mean by winterizing? "There are many paths up the same mountain."
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winterizing is usually when you use a liquid solvent to extract, then place that solvent into the freezer where the waxes freeze and can be filtered out. Let us declare nature to be legitimate. All plants should be declared legal, and all animals for that matter. The notion of illegal plants and animals is obnoxious and ridiculous.
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Parshvik Chintan wrote:winterizing and decarboxylation are said to remove terpenoids (and thus any identifying smells) from extracted material..
it wouldn't taste fantastic, but it wouldn't smell like anything obvious, i don't think. it still has quite a strong smell after decarboxing ( decarboxilation is heating the plant material to convert the thc-v and cbd-a to thc and cbd) don't quote my science (or grammar) winterizing doesn't remove the terps i dont think (no way of testing) its mainly used for filtering out plant waxes using solvent at sub zero temperatures whilst filtering the product
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Parshvik Chintan wrote:winterizing and decarboxylation are said to remove terpenoids It surely does, at least a bit. But here's a list of Canabinoids, Terpenes and their boiling points etc. http://skunkpharmresearch.com/cannabinoid-info/ wrote:
?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic
cannabidiol (CBD) Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic
Cannabinol (CBN) Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic
cannabichromene (CBC) Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal
cannabigerol (CBG) Boiling point: MP52 Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal
?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC) Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic
tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant
Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties
ß-myrcene Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic
ß-caryophyllene Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial
d-limonene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic
linalool Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator
pulegone Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic
1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive
a-pinene Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor
a-terpineol Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial
terpineol-4-ol Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic
p-cymene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor
Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties
apigenin Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic
quercetin Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic
cannflavin A Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor
ß-sitosterol Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor
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Btw. I documented my last extraction with pictures. I'll add a bit of writing and post it in the Cannabis Extraction Thread soon. Everything is always okay in the end, if it's not, then it's not the end.
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I believe water curing will remove most of the terpenes too, just not as fun as making enhanced leaf!
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Ill often smoke other herbs and add just a touch of hash to it. Mint with hash is good and depending on the ratio and potency/quality of each component I think it would be easy to mask the ganja smell, and still have a smoke that gives you the effects of cannabis.
I think evaporating extract on leaf is fine, but for me its just really easy to crumble some hash on some other leaf.
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