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PocketLady
#1 Posted : 8/30/2013 5:38:46 PM
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I'm in a bit of a funny situation and would really appreciate any thoughts. I've wanted to try DMT for ages and recently acquired .5g of DMT in the form of changa at a psytrance festival. I'm fairly experienced with psychedelics, mushrooms/acid/cactus having tripped 30+ times and although I get a little anxious coming up I'm pretty grounded and not terribly prone to bad trips.

The problem is, over the last 18 months I've been having some health problems, an infection that's been hanging around for years undetected that got out of control. Last summer I was really stupid and took loads of drugs even though I was ill and got myself in a right state. I ended up so run-down and serotonin depleted after the last festival of the summer that I began to have weird visions of faces at night and felt like I was being attacked by something when I was trying to sleep, like I was being zapped. It would later transpire that what I was feeling at night were actually ascaris (parasitic) worms that had migrated my intestines and were living in various parts of my body (gross), but I didn't know this at the time.

I was scared and didn't know what was going on so I went to see an energy healer I had been to before. She told me she wasn't surprised by my experiences because my aura was practically non-existent due to drug use, and I had no defences. About half an hour into the session she looked at me deadly seriously and said she had just received a vision from my guides/guardians. She said that if I continues to take drugs I would become schizophrenic, and in the not-to distant future at that. I consider myself to be a "spiritual" person and meditate daily, but the verdict has always been out regarding the more new age ideas, entities/guides etc. But she was so deadly serious about it and she had been so kind to me, giving me a 3 hour session for the price of an hour etc, that I took her at her word.

Incidentally she told me she was shown a vision of me at a party where I had just taken a drug I'd never taken before and had to get away from one of my friends. Apparently this drug had irreversibly damaged my energy field weakening it, allowing entities easy access to me. She could patch me up but any further drug use would eventually lead to schizophrenia. The only event this fits with was a night at a festival where I had taken 6APB for the first time, and then a stranger offered me 2cb a few hours later when I mistakenly believed I had come down. It was my first time with RCs so I stupidly said yes and was propelled into a really intense and uncomfortable trip and ended up having to get away from the person who gave us the 2cb so I could just go to my tent. The only issue for me is that this happened prior to my first encounter with the energy healer, 6 months previous, so if this was so important why didn't my guides communicate this to her on my first appointment??

Anyhow I gave up all drugs for a while and a few months later and I decided it was all just non-sense. I've since tripped on mushrooms 4 or 5 times, and acid 6 or 7 times and had no problems, no hint of any delusions or warning signs. I do mildly suffer from pure O (the obsessive part of OCD) but this is more down to my physical illness and past bad meditation practice/self-esteem and buying into new age ideals too much, forcing positive thinking etc. Other than that I have never had any mental health issues and consider myself to be a very mentally stable person. But all the talk of entites and possession I have read on this site makes me apprehensive.

Am I stupid to risk schizophrenia? Or is it all just bullshit like I think it is? Am I letting this lady hold me back because she is against drugs and feels like she is helping me in some way? I know ultimately the decision has to be mine but I would appreciate any thoughts or experiences anyone has to offer.

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#2 Posted : 8/30/2013 5:46:32 PM

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I wouldn't trust my word more than you trust your own regarding some of the possibly imaginary ideas imo, BUT

be responsible, you don't know what the concentration of that changa is.

so be careful!
don't smoke it all in a weekend, and really start with a low dose.

 
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#3 Posted : 8/30/2013 5:50:53 PM

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Sounds like a energy healer with dogmas. But of course noone can really say if your use of RCs or other chems will result in an illness.

I would not touch RCs or any of that other chem stuff in fact. With DMT I would be careful because it can open you up to other entities... but it can be used and is quaranteed safer than this rc shit, if you know where you get it from,..Razz
If you can find PURE lsd thats not a bad choice either,Laughing
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#4 Posted : 8/30/2013 5:57:47 PM
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Yeah I plan to start real low. I have scales too which helps.

I no longer take RCs at all, this was back in my uneducated stupid days. I would never do that now.

I know entity contact is a common occurence with DMT, but is it really a separate entity or part of your consciousness expressing itself as an entity? I know no one can objectively answer that question but it drives me nuts!
 
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#5 Posted : 8/30/2013 6:06:14 PM

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both can happen but after many times I can say there are other lifeforms or aliens around if you go into hyperspace. Not all of them are friendly, some are advanced to a degree beyond belief other are not...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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#6 Posted : 8/30/2013 6:18:02 PM

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Well, if it's your "energy healer" telling you this, you can probably take the information to the bank...

Or not.

But you really shouldn't take unknown research chemicals on faith that are given to you by strangers. And you shouldn't buy DMT (for any number of reasons), or trust that something you've picked up at a festival won't hurt you in some way.

If you want to have this experience, extract your own. Then you'll know just what you're ingesting, and the risks will be greatly mitigated.
 
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#7 Posted : 8/30/2013 6:22:06 PM

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Sounds like BS but who can say. You shouldn't trust anyone more than yourself in this.

This might help ease your worry's a bit

And what Art said ^



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#8 Posted : 8/30/2013 6:28:29 PM
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I didn't actually intend to buy DMT at the festival and have indeed looked into extracting my own. It was offered to me by a real nice guy camped next to us who I had a long chat with about it. I hear what you're saying though. I know it can be a bit sketchy to buy things from strangers but the people are so genuine at these little festivals. But yes, point taken. Next time I will extract, if I'm compus-mentis that is...!
 
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#9 Posted : 8/30/2013 6:40:21 PM
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universecannon wrote:
Sounds like BS but who can say. You shouldn't trust anyone more than yourself in this.

This might help ease your worry's a bit



Thanks, that does make me feel slightly better. To be honest I think curiosity is going to get the better of me. Good job I'm not a cat.

Thanks to everyone who's replied so far, appreciate your input. This is an awesome site Smile
 
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#10 Posted : 8/30/2013 7:09:45 PM

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PocketLady wrote:
But she was so deadly serious about it and she had been so kind to me, giving me a 3 hour session for the price of an hour etc, that I took her at her word.



How much does she charge by the hour?

Some crackpot is telling you your aura is going to be irreversibly damaged resulting in easy entity access, leading to schizophrenia. That"s just what you need for a healthy mindset before your first DMT experience.



 
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#11 Posted : 8/30/2013 7:20:01 PM
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How much does she charge by the hour?

Some crackpot is telling you your aura is going to be irreversibly damaged resulting in easy entity access, leading to schizophrenia. That"s just what you need for a healthy mindset before your first DMT experience.





£35 an hour, but you never know how long she is going to keep you there...lol. I was out of work at the time so I paid £40 for 3 hours = mug. Maybe she felt bad for ripping me off??

Lol, yeah bit of a mind-fuck isn't it?? Needless to say my first mushroom trip afterwards was very apprehensive, although I found the whole thing hilarious once I was actually tripping. I'm pretty certain it's all bullshit. If it weren't my sanity on the line I would probably be completely sure. If I'm still in one piece after my first blast off then whether it's scary or not at least I will know for sure!
 
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#12 Posted : 8/30/2013 7:23:55 PM

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PocketLady wrote:


I found the whole thing hilarious once I was actually tripping.


This could be a good sign that your sanity will be safe!!! £35 an hour? For a 40 hour week that would make 70k a year, with a 2 week holiday period. I need to change professions.

 
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#13 Posted : 8/30/2013 7:46:10 PM

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Some crackpot is telling you...


There is no reason to disrespect healers who operate outside of the biomedical paradigm. Why the need to belittle therapeutic choices?

@Pocketlady
If you trust your healer, then don't smoke DMT. DMT might allow you to contact your guardian spirits directly though and you'll probably know after your first try if it's a good idea to continue.
 
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#14 Posted : 8/30/2013 8:04:52 PM
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obliguhl wrote:

@Pocketlady
If you trust your healer, then don't smoke DMT. DMT might allow you to contact your guardian spirits directly though and you'll probably know after your first try if it's a good idea to continue.


I guess that really is the question, and I'm just not sure. She has said some things in the past that I can't understand how she could know. But then cold-reading can be quite impressive. I did believe her to begin with, but then I thought well why wouldn't my guides have warned her about this the first time I saw her, if it was so certain and so important, and not 6 months down the line. My friend also went to see her and he couldn't relate to a lot of the things she was "seeing", about his past etc, and he came away thinking she was a fraud.

Like you say, I think I will just have to find out for myself.
 
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#15 Posted : 8/30/2013 8:11:37 PM

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Some crackpot is telling you...
Why the need to belittle therapeutic choices?


It's not about belittling therapeutic choices, it's about being careful with fear-mongering advice that invades areas beyond the therapist specialty, whichever that is.

Is that healer a neurologist with psychiatric knowledge? Does she have details about PocketLady's family mental illness history, if any? I'm presuming to answer to both is no. And even if it was a yes, claiming that ingesting a psychedelic will cause schizophrenia with no previous clinical condition is eerily similar to many baseless claims we've heard in the past about psychedelics.

I would listen to an "energy healer" for everything related to energy, auras and whatnot if I was interested in it. But I would take very carefully other diagnoses or claims. Specially when they make good money and say "I can patch you up, but don't do drugs, come with me instead."


 
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#16 Posted : 8/30/2013 8:38:37 PM

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Vodsel wrote:
obliguhl wrote:
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Some crackpot is telling you...
Why the need to belittle therapeutic choices?


It's not about belittling therapeutic choices, it's about being careful with fear-mongering advice that invades areas beyond the therapist specialty, whichever that is.


Not only that but it is also giving Pocketlady another point of view and perhaps helping to put her(?) mind more at ease if she(?) decides to take the plunge. I think it should be a personal decision and i believe she has already made her mind up.

I would probably refrain from calling her healer a crackpot to her face. And if, by any chance, the healer is reading this thread i apologise. But it stinks of profiteering to me and the term crackpot is fairly innocuous for that kind of behaviour.
 
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#17 Posted : 8/30/2013 8:41:27 PM

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If I would be personally decided to smoke that changa (regardless of what strangers on this forum advise me to /not/ do), then I personally would start rather low... If I didn´t know the content of that particular batch of changa, I wouldn´t smoke more than 15-20mg in one hit for the first time.

(if it was a changa of 1:1 ratio /which I doubt in case this was a product to be sold to strangers at a party/, then 20mg of changa might contain 10mg of pure DMT)

After the first hit(s), I would wait to see how I react to it.

Next time, I would increase my dosage by 10mgs.

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#18 Posted : 8/30/2013 8:53:43 PM

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How old are you?

Schizophrenia tends to manifest itself between 18-25 years of age. If you are older then then, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Even if you ARE the right age, I wouldn't worry too much. I have heard that heavy psychedlic use can precipitate temporary periods of psychosis, but I've never heard of anyone who was permanently damaged by the experience.
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#19 Posted : 8/30/2013 10:47:42 PM

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Vodsel wrote:
Is that healer a neurologist with psychiatric knowledge? Does she have details about PocketLady's family mental illness history, if any? I'm presuming to answer to both is no. And even if it was a yes, claiming that ingesting a psychedelic will cause schizophrenia with no previous clinical condition is eerily similar to many baseless claims we've heard in the past about psychedelics.

I would listen to an "energy healer" for everything related to energy, auras and whatnot if I was interested in it. But I would take very carefully other diagnoses or claims. Specially when they make good money and say "I can patch you up, but don't do drugs, come with me instead."

nail on the head.
but that's probably just my schizophrenia talking..Laughing
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#20 Posted : 8/31/2013 8:24:45 AM

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...Not to mention that "schizophrenia" is a very ambiguous diagnosis (an umbrella concept used to denote that which the psychiatrists have no clue what to do with)

T.McKenna was not a psychiatrist either, but his opinion was clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1_pujdxUng
 
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