So I have this buddy who believes that life has zero purpose, 'god' was just bored being eternal and all so he (I'm projecting here) created this reality, like a game, we are just parts of him with amnesia. He talks about how he went to 'that' place when left alone on Lucy and he saw just this infinite loop, and he said it was just pure nothingness. Which would be fine and all if he wasn't such a 'dark' brooding guy. One time on about 5-6 tabs I entered his 'world' and for the first time had an undeniable experience that something was happening that I couldn't easily write off as an alteration of brain receptors. I saw people moving and talking in predictable rhythmic patterns, the whole world seemed so scripted, pointless and fake. Nothing I cared about mattered, I actually thought I would be insane forever and tried to abort the trip but just sortov rode it out. I freaked out and went for a walk in the city central and suddenly I was 'back to reality', which felt amazing, but I could feel myself slipping into that place. It's not a good feeling, and has probably left me traumatized, with nothing to believe in anymore, no reason to keep living.

In trying to come to terms with this experience I came up with some theories. In regards to the whole god thing, I figured the whole point of life was just to experience it, we have free will to create an infinite amount of experiences and that intself was kinda important, although doesn't sit right with my mamalian brain, doesn't satisfy me.

I figured I had a 'bad trip' because of bad setting, so even if what I experiences was real a lot of it was infused with negativity, I am getting treated for depression after all. I also try to just tell myself no matter how real it felt it is just a drug that really alters perception, and didn't show me anything important, just that humans work in patterns and rituals, probably to live long and safe lives.

Anyone can give insight into my existential crisis? I'm trying to find a valid reason to live, after losing all my hopes and life values about a year ago that kept me going happily.

How old are you friend? (roughly)

"Life really does begin at forty. Up until then, you are just doing research." C.G. Jung

our purpose here is to evolve. The first 35-40 yrs are only a confusing jumble of projections and complexes. Once you hit a certain point you can start your inner work, individuation as jung coined it. It has many forms & names in various cultures and religions but all with similar outcomes.


The purpose will come out of your sense of 'knowing', the melding to your subconscious will guide the synchronicities of your personal path of connection.



"The greatest and most important problems in life are all in a certain sense insoluble. They can never be solved, but only outgrown." cg j

LSD is notorious for being very 'cold', like the joker in playing cards that can play as any card but doesn't have a 'personality' of it's own... So if you were being bombarded with nihilistic worldview from a friend before and during a trip, it's understandable you end up with such thoughts in your head. Set and setting, as you have realized.

Personally, I think the whole point of life is the development of consciousness/conscience.. That old cliche of the universe becoming more aware of itself makes sense imo.

The main objective in my life is self-development, improving myself through several means (self-observation and exploration, using tools such as psychedelics, relationship/love, martial arts, daily struggles etc), and enjoying the whole process as light-heartedly as possible. I feel as I become more aware, I learn to get in tune with the universe and flow better instead of resisting so much and using unnecessary force.

Why does anything exist at all? I don't think anybody knows...At least I certainly dont know. But here I am, so might as well take advantage of this opportunity I'm given, and be thankful for it, and laugh my ass off while doing the best I can for myself and others around me, so that when the last breath comes, I feel satisfied with what I've done.

Jason Silvas latest vid seems appropriate , not a 100% thrilled about this guy but i like his message.

“If you’re not the hero of your own novel, then what kind of novel is it? You need to do some heavy editing.” ~Terence McKenna

http://www.youtube.com/w...v=JAY60dY-irY&sns=em

Read the first comment by the OP, it might help you: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=33032

See that doesn't make me feel better for some reason. Like, how can I genuinely care about things like I used to, family and things like that, when all I can think is it's just some big cosmic experience game?

It's simple: You just play the game.

Think of it indeed like a game. Imagine that 5 friends of yours come to your house, and they start playing cards. You stay outside of the game, in your corner. They are having fun while playing the game, you don't. You know it's just a game so you just don't see the point of it. The point all along was to actually have fun with your friends, and gather game experience.

It's all a perception, you just have to force yourself see the world this way. Everything has two sides, so just pick the one that is able to make you happier.

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Seriously though, I hope that when we die at least momentarily everything falls in place and we get a glimpse at the grand scheme of things and for at least an instant it all makes sense. Maybe not though. No one really knows what happens after we die or what the point behind any of it really is. It makes sense to try to make the best of it and have as good of a time as you while you can. Play the game and try to approach it with a good sense of humor.

i would say my position is fairly aligned with your friends.

but it is my opinion that just because there is no purpose, doesn't mean there is no meaning/significance.

in exactly the same way there is no purpose to a group of musicians coming together to make a beautiful work of art that will inspire thousands - but there is meaning.


so you are both right, in a way.

personally i found this lesson to be very positive and liberating. here we are worrying about accomplishing whatever "goals" we set, which is all fine and good, without realizing that, in a bigger sense, the mission is already accomplished (so to speak).

it also seems to groove with the simulation argument and holographic theory, which i found intriguing

Let me ask you guys. Are you happier and more content with life after experiencing with pyschadelics? Are you still able to have those moments that strike a chord with your 'soul' and you remember forever? My life has been almost blank for the last year. I want to find out if it's due to this existential debate in my head or just some common depressive symptoms

We humans need the sun, nature, and healthy food to energize our bodies to accept happiness. That's 50% of the job. The rest 50% comes from the inside, through our connection to others and our Higher Self. Meditate, walk outside in the sun, maybe eat gluten free food. Daily.

If you're living a life that is work-home-work, you never go out, you watch TV all the time etc, then no wonder you're depressed. Psychedelics might have given you an excuse to convince yourself that life's not worth it, but they're not the cause. The cause is always within you.

Yes, we're equal to bacteria on a cosmic scale. But even bacteria do what they're supposed to. If being depressed is what you feel is the right response to the situation, then I can't argue with your Truth. It is a response, and it's a valid one. "God" wants to experience everything through us, and so having people being depressed is among the plans. It's just that it doesn't really feel good, does it? So I don't see why you should insist on subjecting yourself to it.

Everything is just perception and perspective. There's no good and evil, depression and happiness. Everything just is. It's your perception that shapes it.

I think life having no inherent purpose or meaning makes it all the more better because then YOU are responsible for whatever meaning or purpose you want to give to your life....there's no written plan to follow, you're completely free to create your own meaning.

The purpose I create for my own life is simply to experience this crazy, awesome flash of consciousness I find myself with.

much more happy and content.


if it IS caused by an existential crisis, my only guess is you didn't fully comprehend the lesson.

If you ask Terrence McKenna, he'd say that the purpose of human life is to create art. If my definition of art is loose enough I'd say I agree with him completely.

For sure. I guess you see it differently because of the impact that particular trip had on you.

The cause is probably a mix of both - the existencial debate making you feel hopeless, feeling that there is no point to anything, so why bother with anything -- this is sure to lead to depression. Your body's way of telling you that something really has to change in your life.


Change things. If what you have now is not working out for you, make adaptations. Don't wait until the 'time is right', because it will never be. You have to take the first step.

Learn to play an instrument, learn a new skill, go play soccer with friends, go travel, go hike, be out in nature.

Go, go live. Dwelling on these things can be a trap, I'm not suggesting you do all those things to forget about it, quite the contrary.

Good luck, and remember that the way you choose to look at things makes all the difference in the world.

truth be told there are many points , now the intelligent thing to do is to relate with a point you agree with



i guess this is it , to find satisfaction and joy i guess , to live without regrets

thanks endlessness , i needed this very much ,

Many great and thoughtful posts here....

I believe the purpose of life is to remember who I truly am, as in my eternal self.

Funny, should you mention. i had a dream once where i was playing a guitar and swirling it inside out curling it up changing its colours twisting it in ways a guitar is never supposed to be and saw T.Mckenna on a television set walking close by some alley around the corner.

One dream where i let myself go completely and experienced to the fullest being as creative as i have never been before. i was stopped when i noticed red light from the next room and was startled awake upon the sight of a jester on a one-wheeler bycicling in this room i just walked into.

not sure if relevant to thread. i should start practicing my guitar

Great points here guys, and helping me carve a path for my life for sure.

Only few things that are eating me up still. If say the nature of the universe is a loop, as in time reaches a point where it resets. How can you be motivated to do something if you know none of it will matter in the end? All the great things mankind has accomplished and learned about just to be wiped out and start all over again.

And what is beyond this universe and god anyway? No psychonaut has been able to establish how god came to even exist. You know, maybe it's for the best to have some mystery.

Maybe just knowing that you should just exist because you exist, could be enough. Why look so far ahead? We understand that we can make predictions based on the past, but to let such an extended prediction influence your current take on life, may be detrimental; kind of abusing your predictive skill, sort of speak. There is no reason to predict a 10 GHz processor and devote your life to it if we can be happy and do our job with a 3 GHz one, even if a 10 GHz one is possible (and quality of life has not changed for the better from when we had a 66 Hz one, to today). Just feeding our vanity really, extending our lifespan for no good reason, just to extend it... as if living forever is some sort of "ultimate goal".

Put simply, why bother, just embrace the transference of energies, death, and all that encompasses life, and beyond.

Just a thought. And agree on letting some things be a mystery, might make life much more meaningful on an individual level. Just be motivated for the present, and the children you will bring to this planet. After that, teach them to worry and fight for theirs. That's pretty positive and motivating for me anyway.