So I was wondering what do people mean by 'LSD is shit these days, back in the day I would trip 12 hours of one blotter blablablabla' ?

I mean, Lysergic acid diethylamide is Lysergic acid diethylamide... Is what we get 'these days' not that actual chemical? If then what might be in the blotters some of us get?

Can the Lysergic acid actually be 'bad quality'?

Or is it that we get very little quantity per blotter?

Please elaborate.

well, it could be various analog molecules passed off as LSD, that is not uncommon( especially with liquid or non-paper hits, though I have seen paper hits of non-LSD passed off as it.

Also doses are often but not always smaller than old doses, like 5-20X weaker.

Still I hear rumors now and again of good LSD around here and there.

This can be explained in two ways:

1) LSD blotters these days supposedly contains less LSD as it used before, so you need more blotters to get the same effects.

2) LSD can be replaced with other substances like DOx or 25x-NBOME. These substances have a (slighly) different effect than LSD. With some of these replacement substances it can be dangerous and even deadly if you are used to taking many LSD blotters, with NBOME taking say 20 blottes can mean death.


The moral of the story is: always be sure about what you take!


Kind regards,

The Traveler

LSD is never pure. It just never is and never was: the chemical degrades quickly. Beside that, the proces of making it is also very complex. And because it´s so instable, it is also hard to purify without speeding up the proces of degradation. The impurity´s present will affect your experience in some way. So bad LSD definately does exist.

There are also many other substances that can fit on a blotter, that have some psychedelic effects. Some of these substances are known to be quite nasty when taken in large amounts.

Most of the stuf that´s sold as LSD, realy is LSD. Our endlessness for instance, has recently posted the results of tests done at a festival (in portugal if i´m correct) and it showed that most of the blotters tested, did actually contain real LSD.

But you can never be sure, when you don´t have your stuff tested.

Mann there is great LSD around. It has been finding it's way to me over the past couple years. I have experienced lots of great liquid, and a few blotters which overall seem to be less powerful.

People around here dilute the LSD with water.
That might be some effect to it, although I see nbome blotters every now and then.

The old hippies are most likely taking nbome blotters and having 5 hour trips, haha

People around here dilute the LSD with water.
That might be some effect to it, although I see nbome blotters every now and then.

The old hippies are most likely taking nbome blotters and having 5 hour trips, haha

95% alcohol is a far safer bet, if you use water it MUST be distilled, the chlorine in tap or even bottle water will instantly destroy LSD.



Back in the day of Sandoz the product was purified far better then most chemists do today. Then again it was a pharmaceutical and not produced in clandestine labs. They would get close to 98-99% purity. Today chemists have to worry about the DEA busting down their labs, keeping their synth as short as possible is desirable. And then you have just pure greed, you lose significant product by purification, similar to doing DMT re-x, you will lose some product each time.

But LSD degrading quickly is drastically overstated. In the older synthesis procedures the last stages required heating to quite high temperatures, which makes the reactions with Oxygen and UV light become extreme. Which is why its so important to have an inert environment and controlled light wavelengths. In the final product, at normal temperatures the is actually relatively stable.

There have been sealed amber vials stored for many tens of years at room temperature with nearly no degradation. There's also a study about the degradation in a solution (urine) for urinalysis and at room temperature it was stable for much longer then you'd ever suspect.

I've had blotters between pages of a book I forgot about, they were still good almost 10 years later. Maybe minimal loss of potency. Although i'm sure there are some lumi-LSD floating around in there though. If only I had the foresight to save more of the old stuff for a rainy day.

Yes, besides bad LSD, there is ofcourse good LSD as well.

Interesting point. Never occurred to me.



LSD Under Various Storage Conditions (PDF)

I'm very interested in the topic but I have little hard data and too much gossip to make a good informative post.

Good reads:
https://www.erowid.org/c...s/lsd/lsd_article3.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/c...s/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/c...s/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml
http://bruceeisner.com/w...008/01/lsd-purity-f.html
http://www.drugs-forum.c...um/showthread.php?t=1499
http://www.bluelight.ru/...Ergoloids-Blotter-Thread

The best acid I've ever taken was in fact not the 'real' LSD, according to the guy I took it with. It came on blotter paper just like LSD but was called sunshine acid. Later I had the chance to take real LSD many times at different doses and, to be honest, I found it a big disappointment compared to the sunshine stuff. That just proves that the real thing is not always the best.

best is purely a subjective term

Although RC's or poor quality acid do circulate IMO its generally people taking the old "nostalgia just aint as good as if used to be" approach.

Iv been taking it regularly for years, and very rarely have i had anything i wasn't sure was acid.

This might have to do with the part of the world, i know Europe is generally better for acid in the last decade or so

but i think people are just being paranoid when they say you cant get good acid anymore. tell that to me when the walls are melting into my brain!

I believe acid follows music. In the Rock days that meant america. is these electronic dance days, it means Europe

just what i believe, but i believe it for a good reason! - this stuff is gooood

that may be you being eurocentric.
there are plenty of niche groups in n. america preparing good acid, for several generations.
I've never had to look for it.

Yeah, it wouldn´t make any sense to me, if LSD in america would be of lower quality. You only need a very tiny amount of it to serve thousands or tens of thousands of people. You could easily take or send a few thousand doses of the stuff to almost any place without getting noticed. If people manage to smuggle literally tons of cocaine or heroin acros the globe, how much of a problem is transporting, say, a gram of LSD going to be? And are police dogs trained to recognize the smell of LSD?

Can't train a dog to smell a scent that doesn't exist

idk...
dogs can sense chemical changes occurring on humans and other dogs, and those aren't exactly scents either.

they can probably sense 10 ppm concentrations of various substances. whether they are trained to sniff out LSD or not, I don't know. I venture no, but it may depend on the locale

you could well be right, the reason i mentioned that is that when i get a really special blotter i often look up forums to see where its circulating and 90% of the time its Europe

its totally possible the crystal is sent to or comes from the americas and laid on different designs

Some interesting points here and I agree with Mr polytrip. I think impurities in LSD production can and do influence the trip one experiences to a degree. I have eaten blotters that were definitely LSD, and potent also...two of these tabs were consumed with a friend. The come up on these was rough...we felt a bit grimy, gritty, apathetic and pretty catatonic throughout the whole experience (could also be dosage related) and head some transient nausea and stomach gas, my friend even purged. Skip forward to a future experiment with the same friend, this time we take two blotters laid with GDF white 'fluff' LSD, that was purified via chromatography to 98% purity (this information was courtesy of the person who supplied me with these, a person whom I have absolute faith and trust in). The differences in the experience were profound (setting was pretty much identical both times). This latter experience was profoundly smooth, almost to the point of feeling sober at times, we both shared in this incredibly clean, flowing, crystalline head space, lacking any noticeable bioelectrical brain noise or crackles I have experienced before with acid, it was amazing and a revelation to me as I had always been pretty darn sceptical of the old purity argument, wrongfully assuming that LSD is too potent a drug for any impurities to make any noticeable impact on the experience. But I have revised this opinion with firm conviction. As ever in life, it's quality over quantity. Unfortunately the US source for this batch was busted soon after this experience, so wasn't able to accumulate a stash of this lysergic crystal sunshine.

Sigma sells "LSD scent" in their K9 program so it's reasonable to assume that some dogs are trained with it.