I've been doing work with a shaman for about 4 years now. One thing that I'm sure of is that you can't heal yourself physically and mentally if you have not healed yourself spiritually. Shaman's are physicians they can make healing happen in metaphysical dimensions that are entwined with the physical. When I say they are physicians I simply mean that they've been practicing "traditional" medicine for hundreds of thousands of years.
This makes them the magicians of western medicine, they're grand conclusion being that only true healing comes when all three aspects of the human have been synchronized to the almost ethereal coincidental magic.

I recently shared about participating in a soul retrieval ceremony, during which soul parts were blown back into me through my aperture of Brahmin. While I was having this done I was very tranced out on DMT and having had sessions prior to this one with no inebriant in my system, though the sessions were helpful and significant it took weeks of fire ceremonies (done nightly) to reintegrate the parts I had regained during the sessions. Sometimes This reintegration process doesn't completely work I believe that the cause is the communication and misunderstanding that "language" can pose.

The soul retrieval session where I was on DMT changed this process to almost instant reintegration not to mention the powerful sensations that shot up my energy meridians and the warming of my heart chakra, that was so intense, filled with love, and simply put mind blowing. I felt like I was a glass body filled with the accumulation of many lifetimes of wisdom, beauty, and all the baggage that my shaman and I were sorting out together, so the lost parts had been retrieved entering breath through trusted guides and when they were blown into the top of my head it was like a catalyst had been added to my body, as the reaction took place a level of understanding, consciousness and grace boiled inside me and I could see the light pouring from my heart chakra, it was instant. In between retrievals my shaman usually put the ceramic water catch for a planting pot, filled with candles, on my heart chakra to warm it to prepare me for the net integration. This time he didn't. The extent of intoxication involved in prior sessions amounted to a vitamin C chew and a glass of sleepytime tea.

I would like to know what others think about this, if others have experienced anything like this, and if anyone actually does work with a shaman???

Please remember to be a skeptic and believe, what to be skeptical of is the real question.

Hi thick light. I don't entirely agree with you here. I think that life offers enough challenges and distractions to pretty much mess with any half decent persons life. Most of life does not make sense, it's a mad world we live in. I believe that hard physical exercise can be healing because it tests the spirit and mind. It creates self confidence, self esteem, and enough self reliability to be cool about life, and i think one needs to be tough to survive in this day and age.

I think if you look at all powerfully spiritual people you will see that their journey has been a tough one requiring dietas and loss of comforts, just like intense exercise can. I think that because life is not seperate that wether you are focussed on spirituality, the physical, the mental, you will heal yourself anyhow. Nothing is seperate, and everything is a teacher in life. We learn by living life, and heal as we live and move on. What makes people sick is stagnation. Life is movement, and fractal. Whatever you do will one way or the other lead to spiritual bliss. It's impossible for this not to be so!

Healing spiritually plays over into every aspect of one's life. It's inseperable from mind and body? I do agree with the unseen plan thing but I'm not sure all paths lead to spiritual bliss. I am more interested in whether anyone has performed ceremonies straight or on DMT and what the differences were.

hmmm..I dont necessarily believe in short cuts. That applies to shortcuts into the DMT world as well.

If you want the kind of raw and profound healing that psychedelics can catalyze than you should take a psychedelic.

Look, you can take 2 different routes to get to the same place, but it is the journey that counts. Sure, you can have visionary or shamanic experiences in dreams and other states without taking a psychedelic..but in my experience that is just not the same thing. Anyone who says different I usually find to not be very interesting or knowledge on the subject in the first place. I have met yoga teachers who claim to be "doing it naturally" who I just find pathetically naive, ignorant and just plain shallow..yet they actaully think they are touching down upon this same mystery because they took MDMA once so know what I am talking about. Meditation etc and psychedelics are not the same thing.

Even my own DMT like experiences I have in the middle of the night sometimes are not as illuminating as drinking a cup of ayahuasca or eating some mushrooms.

Jamie is correct. One simply cannot compare crawling to taking off in a space rocket!

Some things cannot be talked about. You can have long winded discussions on this subject, then you can try for yourself. Then, and only then will you know the difference.

My question wasn't to compare the two and decide if one is better. I am just interested in the effect of DMT during the session and after. If one has a few experiences to compare with medicine and without please share them. I'm not interested in anyone's route just the difference inside and the ease of flow and reintegration. Maybe you just don't understand what processes I'm talking about.

Anyway, I thought I might find some people who have actually worked with shamans and have been healed in miraculous ways.

The DMT made things happen immediately, where in former sessions it took weeks to reintegrate. I was more aware and the metaphysical was tangible to all my senses.

Has anyone ever done a Shamanic ceremony on DMT and had instant reactions through the manipulation of the spirit world? such as a soul retrieval or extraction, or a fire healing session. If you were on DMT could you see the energy being pulled out of your lymphnodes and cast into the flame? Is the Cancer gone?

Yes, if you believe it so. Although one can only learn so much from others, I feel your shaman is acting as a lubricant for your spiritual discoveries. You are healing yourself essentially. Everything already lies within each of us I feel. I've been practicing healing with and without the aid of plants for decades and I have yet to find any difference whatsoever, although plants If willing can give aid to us tremendously in these endeavors.
DMT on the other hand for me is extremely hard to work with as far as metaphysical practices, Im not sure why being I just started working with DMT. It seems as If it demands your full attention and nothing else. All about me me me DMT would say IF it had a mouth.
I highly recommend working with LSD, Mescalin, Marijuana, shrooms, and tobacco for softer lessons in healing.

^ are you vaping DMT?

I dont find vaporized DMT or changa to be super great for shamanic work, or deeper healing etc..you can do some deep energy work with vaped DMT but IMO it is not softer than mushrooms by a long shot. Smoking DMT is the easy way out for me..oral DMT/ayahuasca and mushrooms are much more thorough. I still find value in smoking DMT but ayahuasca/pharma and mushrooms are nesessary for this kind of work in my life.

Thick-light..my point was not to compare psychedelic shamanism to non-psychedelic shamanism..I was only trying to make the point that you can do shamanic work with or without them, but that they are entirely different things so I dont really understand what you are actually asking here.. The title of this thread is "Shamanic Cremonies on DMT vs. Dug Free Ceremonies"..and I gave you my opinion-that they are worlds apart. You just cant compare them IMO..

Yes I have had many sorts of strange healing with ayahuasca and mushrooms.

"One thing that I'm sure of is that you can't heal yourself physically and mentally if you have not healed yourself spiritually."

Hmm..well what if you fall down and scrape your leg? I know that sounds sort of silly here but that is a perfect example of something physical that the body needs to heal. What if you fell down because you were angry with someone in your life and in some frustrated frenzy? Does that mean that if you dont heal the relationship with that person or make
peace with it that the cut wont scab over and heal anyway?

Just some food for thought. I mean I agree that many things can be psychosomatic but still then I think of examples like the one above and I wonder how far you can really apply that sort of logic.

In the end I still agree. Ayahuasca told me that love is what matters..love heals.

I've only experienced DMT from vaporizing which was extracted from mimosa, I've grown weary about the mystery alkaloids present within this plant, which is why I wont partake unless I acquire the traditional plants used for a traditional brew.

jurema is a traditional plant, used in traditional brews...

For those who don't know, there's no such thing as ayahuasca with Mimosa hostilis in Brazil - only chacruna. Mimosa is something from the internet, not from any tradition here

according to this Ayahuasquero
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=33503

Also I had a gut feeling something wasn't right before reading this thread above which only reinforces my paranoid schizo thoughts about the mystery alkaloids.

i never said it was used traditionally in ayahuasca.
but it was traditionally prepared in cold water extracts, water served with maricuja (passiflora species [edulis?], presumably with a MAOI) juice, as well as mixtures with cahaca (sugar cane alcohol) and garlic.

Not according to this thread, again...

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=33503

did you not finish the thread?
jamie covers MAOI in passiflora, and

Well, I think paranoia is all that it is to be honest. I have worked extensivly with both some traditional leaf admixtures and mimosa in brews and I dont find mimosa to be any more threatening/toxic/difficult etc...I prefer mimosa at this point but I love all the admixtures.

Also the additional alkaloid you are thinking of that makes mimosa orally active is destoryed with heat..so brewing ayahuasca with mimosa leaves that alkaloid out of the picture. If it worries you though get some psychotria or chaliponga I guess..

I dont think there is a chance in hell that if ayahuasqueros 1000 years ago in the amazon came upon mimosa that they would not have used it as admixture as well. Ayahuasca for me at least is a living, animate tradition that is in constant flux and growth..so the discovery of new admixtures is just natural.

I'm actually plagued by this mystery alkaloid to be honest, going to stick with chaliponga. I would hope an Ayahuasquero could give his or her thoughts on mimosa.

watch out, chaliponga has N-methyltetrahydro-ß-carboline and other "mystery" alkaloids

show me a reliable source which proves this statement above ^ as far as the alkaloid present in mimosa

All that I am saying is I've chosen not to use mimosa for DMT, thats it.

I have had Reiki treatments and they work, effectively.

For sure there is a lot more going on than what we SEE.

We are all medicine men in training, not every one has the privilege of a culture close to earth.



Every time i light a fire or gaze at the universe that is ceremony laughing with friends walking the land finding poetry in words

And Honestly i always wanted to try acupuncture, and finally did.

So she put in needles in arms and wrists like in the center and i started getting really anxious and panicky, and i had just got there

So she left me in a noise proof room and i was ready to SCREAM but had already payed so i tried talking myself around

I started to tell myself a story and totally focusing on it as a last resort

So the words were visualising out of my forehead like an unrolling hose and then i just slipped out?

It was so comfortable, i so comfortably came back through a white light and was so relaxed, and i remember i could Hear the edges of the room like some sonar?

I was so comfortable, i soon fazed back out again and there was a visualisation were i was like i was projecting it

It was like a round bubble with a circle in the middle flowing inwards, like the static visual on the Windows media player, exact pretty much.

Later she came in and got me up and i was so comfortable.

Now i look back it was almost like a DMT hit i once had but there was no force or anything behind this, i just slipped away?

I have not had this experience again.
My mate recons i may have put myself into a trance?

I HAD NOT TAKEN DRUGS FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS, I HAD NOT HAD SEX FOR A MONTH, I WAS GOING TO THE GYM AND EATING HEALTHY, HAD NOT BEEN TO GYM THAT DAY, AND HAD RESTED PRIOR.