Ok....so even with a copper scrubber ball in my GVG I seem to have alot of product dripping down into the nether regions of the glass. I can recover it by cleaning with IPA and evapping, but why can't we have a device with no chance of this problem? With the Machine I held it upside down so that gravity might help..... but the GVG top can fall out if it is inverted.

So I was thinking....why not just load product ON TOP OF the ceramic filter of the GVG? It is sealed to the sides of the glass, so no leakage should get past on the side walls. Could it be the perfect carrier? Before I try this I thought I'd see if it's been done already. I don't think it woulds hurt the ceramic....with pure product there should be no residue to plug up the ceramic, right?


So what do you guys think?

THX-
-Boypony

I think where you are going wrong is by using a copper scrubber ball rather than a flat-pressed disc which ,IME, works just great.

Have a look at the pics in post 7 by Gibran2- this is just right for your needs:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=12692

If you look closely at the shape of the glass top-piece of the GVG you will see that another piece just like it wont slot into it; the only way you may achieve what you describe is by attaching the said piece upside down and using something to make the lip of the 2 top-pieces adhere together.A rather circuitous route to get where you want to go IMO.

Try the copper disc approach; I found pretty much zero dripping with this.I also dont think allowing liquified DMT to congest the pores in the diffuser is necessary or ergonomic and I guess this will not improve efficiency of toking at all.

Corpus-
I've tried the mesh in every possible config.....just trying to find a better way. The ceramic would have a huge amount of internal surface area and may be the shiz-nizzle.......someone's gotta try it!

-BoyPony

Ok.............
O.M.F.G.....
Relax.....
Drum Roll Please..........

1000% success.

Let me be the first to predict that if you are lucky enough to own a GVG.....

This will become the only way you will ever use the sacrament again.

No nasty crack-ass scrubber.

No screens.

No ashes.

No mullein.

No leakage.

Seems the GVG will remain pristine and new. (more testing to follow)

60 mg down the hatch WHOOSH.

Thanks for coming.

Game Over.

Period.

Traveler- U Gotta Trust me on THIS.

Namaste-

-Boypony

I'm confused... Should I laugh or cry?



Hey watch your words

Ok, so your idea is to melt spice on the ceremic and add another ceramic filter on top of this one being use as a substance pad ?

The method of vaporization you’re describing is how “Health Stone Glass” pipes are used:

Health Stone Glass Vendor

There was no burning? All of the DMT was vaporized? Was the vapor smooth, smooth, smooth? Hmmm…. This might be a new way to go…

What kind of lighter did you use? I would imagine a torch would be too much with this method.

rOm-
Spice on top of ceramic. Meter heat by keeping flame way back and moving.
Spice instantly dissapears into ceramic and huge clouds QUICKLY come out other end. No extra ceramic.

NO MELT THROUGH!

NO WASTE.

Precision dosing.

Works so well it's amazing.

It's actually smoother and delivers dose faster...which I always thought was important....one toke of 50 mg will launch you better than 2 tokes of 25.
The ceramic seems to protect the spice once it's melted in.

Ceramic looks pristine after over 150 mg has been vaped- no clogging or problems of any kind.

Gibran-
Yes, like the Health Stone pipe....all spice vaped.

Dreamwalker-
I used my trusty Arc torch lighter- I just kept it about 2-3" back. It seems that once spice is melted into the ceramic it is automagically protected inside?

Enjoy.

-Boypony

Everyone who’s interested might want to read this short thread:

Health Stone Vaporizer

Gibran-

I'll give you credit for first thread describing this method- I had not seen that one!

Your headshop guy was totally correct in his assumption that it would work great.

I'll take credit for taking a chance with my beloved GVG and testing it out.

I figured WTH....I could always replace the top if I screwed it up or clogged it up- but it looks/works like new after the test. And as you said- the ceramic is impervious to heat and could be torched clean if needed, or soaked in IPA.....but I don't think you would ever even need to do that as long as your spice is clean.

-Boypony

All you GVG guys REALLY need to try this.

One must take into consideration that when the spice is vaporized inside the ceramic there is much less ceramic material in between the flame and this will cause the ceramic to filter less heat so one will have to adjust the flame further above the bowl to achieve the same temperature as with normal mesh method where the whole ceramic is filtering the heat. personally I don't care to try this as it seems too unstable (especially in the melting stage), it has material in a place which isn't designed for that, and the mesh screen method works perfectly with no side taste or anything else. I guess it's a good alternative for people who for some weird reason can't manage to make a proper mesh screen.

And hey, do try this for at least 20 doses before you can recommend this. Yeah the DMT shouldn't have any residue if it's pure but it's better to make sure it doesn't harm the ceramic filter with prolonged use before going around recommending this method.

Ok fine... I'll be the test monkey.

And if after lots of "use" , my GVG isn't gunky inside or damaged then maybe you'll try it?

Honestly can all you GVG users say you have no leakage past whatever mesh you happen to use?

How much of your dose is sitting pretty melted in the bottom of the GVG? 20%?

I've been here for lessee....5 yrs and have tried about every way there is.

And this is the best method I've had the joy of using.

Namaste-

-Boypony

The thing with copper mesh screen(chore boy for example) is that you have to make it correct size, so it is fitting perfectly to the glass bottom circle of the bowl, then make it 3-6mm thick and not too squeezed and not too loose. Then there you have to use some kind of cone(for example) to pour the spice in the middle of the mesh. So without these steps there is a possibility of not so successful vaporizing, such as spice melting into the glass sidewalls or going to the bottom.
Without these issues (following the instructions above) one should have no problems at all with either leakage or spice melting into the glass.
I have found this method to be so efficient(my lowest breakthrough dose was about 19mg and I find no need to load more than 27mg) that I have no interest in trying other methods(I have already tried many others), but I suppose if for someone the mesh method is too difficult, your method might work well.



I use only chore boy pure copper mesh screens fit to the correct size and there is no leakage at all. I have tried screens and volcano liquid pad but they dripped through.




None.

The DMT that accumulates in the elbow of the GVG when using copper mesh/ribbon is from condensation, not from dripping or leakage. I don’t know of any way to prevent condensation.

As far as melting a dose into the ceramic, it makes sense that it would work. I think I’ll try this method soon.

One concern I still have is messing up the filter. I noticed that Health Stone Glass sells 5-packs of ceramic filters. This makes me think that the life-span of a ceramic filter is shortened by regular use this way.

Anyhow, if it works well for me, I might splurge and get a Health Stone Glass item.

hmm, I wonder if something porous like a piece of pumice stone would work as well? It would be much easier to shape into a concave surfaced-disk to catch & hold the spice and make the same approx size as the ubiquitous copper pad...

Depends if it's non-reactive at the temperatures we use in the GVG. I will do a little lookin and see what turns up.

Sounds good. I wonder how to manufacture these kinds of things on the cheap end, the ceramic stuff seems to be really expensive. Was thinking of cutting expanded clay pebbles to size and combining with borosilicate pipe and some wire thingy to keep in place with pipe molded to form but the pebbles seem to be say too tight to allow good air flow. At least the ones that I have. Maybe there is a manufacturer of the porous ceramic stuff that sells it cheaper

Updated machine kind of thing if this method is really the way to go. Good working and easy to make for anyone with fraction of the price of the GVG and does not need to be ordered from abroad. Well time will tell...

Good thinking on the pumice
Hyperdimensional Cuttlefish, have only heard about it but never hold onto it. Now let me just get silly on this one for a few words and remind you all that nanotech is getting here soon for example http://www.aerogel.org/ and it would really look cool to be watching something new like that while vaporizing dmt on top of it Hmm just need a really really really small drill bit and a lot of precision and few layers and hmmmm labyrinth of transperent crazy vapo device from future is here 8_8

Don't jump to conclusions too fast
There might be a number of reasons for which they sell 5-packs of filters.
One would be that it is VERY easy to lose a stone as it is in no way fastened to the Health Stone pipe or bowl.
Just turn it upside down and the stone falls down.
Another reason might be HSG advises to use triple flame jet torch lighters in order to get the whole surface of the stone hot at once, in the case of cannabis oil.
That might shorten the stone's life span, although I think the ceramic material is supposed to take even higher temps than a triple flame torch allows.
And a third might be that probably most oil extractors don't clean their product very well so it might leave some residue that end up clogging the filters by particles that won't dissolve with alcohol/cleaning agents. Though maybe with some compressed air...

The stones material look identical (but bigger) to the VG ones.
True, though, for the price of 1 Health Stone, I can get a coil VaporGenie with its stone with international shipping included...
We'll see in the long run, I guess.


Check out my thread here : https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=348378#post348378

PS: Now that I come to think of it, it might be a good way to vaporize bufotenine... I'll keep you informed on that one as I have an extraction going on right now (IPA + MEK:heptane)