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#1 Posted : 3/3/2012 4:58:58 PM

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I am now at the point where I eat 6-7 grams of mushrooms every time I do a ritual. I was wondering if it were perhaps time to try mushrooms with rue or some maoi inhibiter? Its strange, it seems as if after working with psilocybin for a while, there are no visuals....only messages...which is wonderful, but I'm looking for some deeper immersion. If 6-7 grms were my normal dose, what would be a good dose balance of mushroom and rue? Thanks! Shocked
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#2 Posted : 3/3/2012 7:08:04 PM

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6-7 grams with no visuals?!

Wet or dry..?

I can eat a .7g and get visual activity. 3g is a full blown experience.

Hard nut to crack eh?
 
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#3 Posted : 3/3/2012 7:37:43 PM

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6-7 grams dry, my friend...I mean, there is mild visual activity, but for the most part my trips are an internal dialogue unraveling pointless little secrets to the Universe, which really aren't pointless at all, but ya know what I mean...lol
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#4 Posted : 3/3/2012 7:49:14 PM


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You know, there are many kinds of mushrooms with many different levels of actives. Any idea what type of mushrooms they are?
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#5 Posted : 3/3/2012 7:51:40 PM

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Have you tried grinding them up and soaking them in fresh lemon juice for 5-10 minutes?
I wouldn't try it with 6-7 grams though start a little lower.
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#6 Posted : 3/3/2012 7:55:55 PM

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I've done lemon teks and such, which have always worked fantastically, but for some reason I've been chewing them lately...I guess wanting the full experience, shrooms in teeth and all...lol....as far as the type of mushies go, they are cubes, I believe they were called "squidheads"? I have a new batch growing of some "bon thai".....any idea?
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#7 Posted : 3/3/2012 8:02:27 PM

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Ok, squidheads is just the nickname...I guess the actual name is Ban Nathon?
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#8 Posted : 3/3/2012 9:09:06 PM

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Strange dude, but I will say this.

I do have a friend in school here that used to experiment with psychedelics, he tried 1.4 then 2.5 then a whole 3.5 and like you said, he would have stuff go on in his head and act very out of it but had no visuals whatsoever. It might actually be something to do with the stomach acid or something in your system that doesn't allow the visuals to happen with shrooms, because no matter how much he ate he wouldn't ever hallucinate. Some people just can't I think.

I hope you're not one of them though :[ best of luck brother! Up the dose again I guess and see what happens.
 
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#9 Posted : 3/3/2012 9:15:21 PM

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Perhaps your batch of mushrooms is weak. I recently drank 3g lemon tek and had almost no visual change, only a slight alteration in my perception of space. Then, using batch 0.7g had me see DMT type visuals all over the floor. Alkaloid content varies.
 
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#10 Posted : 3/3/2012 9:41:00 PM

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The stomach acid theory is something I actually think may be relevant. Of course, the shrooms I grew could just be weak, who knows. I've cultivated quite a personal relationship with the mushroom, so I doubt it has anything to do with potency, considering everything is in our heads anyways. I've actually stopped eating meats in attempt to clear up my field of operation, so in all hopes next time we'll see...but let's say it's a handicap of mine, be it stomachacid or what not, enter harmalas....if anyone could give explicit detail as to how this combo synergizes with each other, that'd be really awesome!
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#11 Posted : 3/4/2012 3:27:43 AM

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Caapi is D(#1)VINE. Don't know aboot Rue.
It is good to smoke caapi root bark (the red stuff).
It is important to have the system well saturated prior to the caapi.
Smoke at the top.
The paneolus cyanescens in combo like this is alchemical gold. Can't say for others.
In cat's opinion, to combine is more balanced and comfortable.
The cats said oral combos are more sensitive than caapi smoke.

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#12 Posted : 3/4/2012 12:34:22 PM

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Also, you might want to try to lemon tek the mushrooms if you are not already doing that. It potentiates the mushrooms by 1.5x but cuts the duration and the peak.

I can also say that smoking some caapi on mushrooms was beneficial.
 
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#13 Posted : 3/4/2012 12:45:09 PM

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It's true that if you want some change, you could drink ayahuasca with your mushrooms, drink caapi tea (50 grams top for a start) and a couple of grams of mushrooms.
maybe you dose too often and develop some sort of tolerance to a already weak cubensis strain. Tolerance varies greatly so it's hard to tell here but it does sure happened a lot. Eating mushrooms everyday won't work for exemple. It is simply a waste.
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#14 Posted : 3/4/2012 1:29:27 PM

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tobecomeone00 wrote:
I've cultivated quite a personal relationship with the mushroom, so I doubt it has anything to do with potency, considering everything is in our heads anyways.

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I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Depending on how you're growing, the potency of each individual fruit could be vastly different from that of the others in the same flush. If you start with multispore or liquid culture, unless you isolate a strain on agar, there are so many "strains" that vary genetically present, the likelihood of getting fruits that don't vary in their active alk % is incredibly low. It's all about the tryptamine content of the mushrooms. It's not in your head...it's in the mushrooms
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#15 Posted : 3/11/2012 7:21:46 PM

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Okay, well, check it out. none of this answers my question. I've done lemonteks a million times, I don't need help with dosing. I've been asking a very specific question regarding the experience of taking harmalas and mushrooms together to potentiate the experience, not for people's opinions on my fruits, k? MAOI INHIBITION with Mushrooms. WHAT HAPPENS? I don't need to hear dose sizes or anything, so people, please spare me.

And snozzleberry...I am sorry you don't understand the idea of a personal relationship with a plant, but it's not always about the chemical content...that's YOUR world, where potencies are derived by active alkaloids...I base my potentcy on the messages that come through, not "tripping" or how hard they hit me. Thanks for the help, tho!
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#16 Posted : 3/11/2012 7:43:44 PM

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dude, if you want to start off at a safe place you can most likely handle. do half that of shrooms and take a full maoi dose that being either 3 grams of syrian rue ground up or 200-300 mg of harmalas depending on how strong they are 30 minutes before or until you get euphoria.

does that help?
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#17 Posted : 3/11/2012 8:47:28 PM

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That's perfect. What is the mixture like, experience wise? I am being instructed to do this by my higher Self in order to communicate with other aspects of my Self in a physical setting, as opposed to meditation...could this combo bring on something of this magnitude? Thanks staresatwalls
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#18 Posted : 3/11/2012 8:52:52 PM

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I don' mean to sound like an ass, but I am frustrated that I cannot find anything more than vague descriptions of the combo. Oh yeah, yay for my 400th post! =D
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#19 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:12:37 PM

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dude it's a boss combo fo' sho'. it makes for more intricate visuals and it potentiates the shrooms 2-3 times as per gracie and zharkov. they have what you're looking for in this link.

http://deoxy.org/gz.htm

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#20 Posted : 3/12/2012 3:53:18 AM

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tobecomeone00 wrote:

And snozzleberry...I am sorry you don't understand the idea of a personal relationship with a plant, but it's not always about the chemical content...that's YOUR world, where potencies are derived by active alkaloids...I base my potentcy on the messages that come through, not "tripping" or how hard they hit me. Thanks for the help, tho!

I never said anything to contradict someone having a special relationship with a plant (or, in this case, fungus). I have no interest in dictating reality to you, I'm merely puzzled by the logic you present. If you feel the experience is so independent from the alkaloid content, why even take the fungus? If it's all in your head...what're the exogenous alkaloids for?
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