Just curious if anyone has ever tried using this potential dangerous entheogen??
Datura seeds seem to be catching my interest.

MODERATOR EDIT..PLEASE READ THE FORUM RULES. DATURA CONTAINS DEADLY TROPANES AND IT'S USE AT DELERIANT/HALLUCINOGENIC DOSES IS NOT ADVISED. THE DMT NEXUS DOES NOT SUPPORT UNSAFE AND RECKLESS USE OF NIGHTSHADE PLANTS.

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yes...3 seeds eradicates nausea. Also most ppl who use it to trip take a dangerous dose to do so. If you are looking to get some perspective on its personality you might enjoy reading "the teachings of don juan"

no but i damn sure wiki'd it out of curiosity...

"pronounced amnesia [are common effects]..."

i like that. "Pronounced Amnesia" sounds like a good band name.

I'd be interested to hear about any experiences with it.

The dose that will make you hallucinate is not far from the dose that will kill you with tropane alkaloids.

These are fools drugs. Who cares if shamans do it. Permanent psychosis and death have been reported.

I've read some about it, looks interesting (there was an article exploring it from the point of view that all the hallucinations and conversations with non-existant entities are a manifestation of parts of your brain that don't usually express themselves so obviously, or something to this effect). Would never do it without a sitter however, it seems that it can last for days. And certainly not without extensive research beforehand.

Once for fun me and a friend were discussing the possibilities of "horror-flipping" (a hypothetical combination of datura and LSD), but (thankfully:shock never followed it through.

Erowid.org has loads of datura reports. It was a long time ago but if I remember correctly a high percentage of the reports ended in hospital. I bought datura seeds a few years ago but I ended up just throwing them out without taking any. To get the kind of experience I wanted with them just seemed to risky and probably wouldnt have been enjoyable.

Datura + me = Mental hospital + months of tripping/recovery. Tread carefully.

I wouldn't recommend it, I think it is 10 seeds that most nexians consider a maximum safe dose. Any more than that, and you are taking a real gamble. The tropane alkaloids are a dangerous game to play, so be aware that the chances of things going wrong, are much greater than the chances of things going right.

There are a number of people on here who use a very small dose (~3 seeds) to combat nausea and potentiate other psychedelics, such as HBWR seeds.

The nightshade plants contain atropine, hyoscymine, and scopolomine. Datura is highest in atropine, which is the most deadly.
If you INSIST on dealing with the tropane alkaloids, then you may want to consider henbane. It is the highest in scopolomine, which is the least deadly of the three, and lowest in atropine.

But I reiterate, this is a dangerous game.

Datura isn't something I think anyone should trifle with, for good reason.

I believe that there isn't any learning/therapeutic/psychedelic value to the experience, so what's the point?

There are enough safe hallucinogens out there to keep one busy exploring them for a long time. Why anyone would want to risk taking one as dangerous as Datura seems pretty silly to me. Just my opinion.

After the datura maybe you can go tripping on rat poison...I mean seriously there are so so many drugs that can be used and from all of them you choose one that can kill you? Any logical person's advice would be NO NO NO.

Jimson Weed (Datura Stramonium) is BAD and DANGEROUS!!!

I worked in a state institution for a while and that is where you are headed if you aren't careful. The "Jimmy Floor" had people that have been in there for over 20 years. The majority of the patients were admitted when they were children. Some were just little children who ate them unknowingly but there were a lot of them that were just young dumb shits that wanted to "trip".

That stuff is simply dangerous and unpredictable. There is no way to tell how long it will affect you. Additionally, it is not like a "trip". The "hallucinations" are most often indistinguishable from reality. It is not uncommon among Jimmy Trippers that a month or two later they are still "hallucinating" and do not even realize it, and sometimes this lasts years or even indefinitely.

Datura Stramonium is a train ticket to Schizophrenia!

DON'T DO IT! It is not worth the chance. Please, crack is safer in many respects. I'm not saying to do crack, but seriously, there are less risks and at least you know what you have to look forward to. With Jimson Weed, you have no idea what will come and then when it does you might not even realize it is there and you could be talking to people that don't exist for the rest of your life and not even know it.

Completely agree with the above poster, and now I'm really interested in finding out about these patients. I must have read about 100 Datura & Brugmansia trip reports on erowid, and, until I heard of someone in real life (my life) getting institutionalized, I always thought I'd eventually try Datura. What scares me is that I could read all about people getting hospitalized and jailed and dying, yet still want to try the drug. It scares me that only until I heard of a friend's friend going insane did I decide "I will never, ever ingest this plant of my own free will"

The trip reports are mesmerizing, horrific, and funny. I still read them. Won't ever try this plant again, though.

I tried it once, and I had no hallucinations, but I remember a certain "dark" feeling. When I try to remember that feeling, I can feel something licking my mind with whispers. I can't hear or really make out any words or sounds, just the breathing of a whisper. I might just be scaring myself, though.

All i know is that its almost impossible to dose, extremely dangerous, and the sides extremely uncomfortable. I personally cant see why anyone would like it.

I was always wondering why "Brugmansia Flowers" was in the changa thread (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3539) without a warning or is it less harmfull when smoked?


I also took datura and brugmansia when I was younger (flowers and seeds), personally I didn't get effects besides feeling drunk as hell running against objects, no coordination etc. and a few flashes in the corner of my eyes plus the feeling of shadow figures around me. We always made tee from it. A friend of mine was doing the same material and he was totally tripping for one day or longer. He told me he couldn't distinguish what was real and what was unreal, he has seen angels and stuff and he was absolutely shure that I have been with him. The funny part was he told me he had eaten s.th. cold and smooth, the next day he found cermaic shards with ketchup on a plate and a lot of his furniture was damaged. I really wouldn't recommend it because I read it causes brain damage etc. and the variance of substances is big in nightshades. Also you might be tripping for several days.

Datura is a powerful hallucinogenic; it will produce hallucinations. HOWEVER, it isn't a tryptamine... Do not expect euphoria and mind expansion like you get from LSD or DMT. It's pure delirium, confusion, and realistic yet unrealistic visuals at the same time. Very uninteresting visuals as well, like they don't mean anything, it's just total confusion.

With my few experiences with Datura, through my unstoppable curiosity, the body feelings you get are very similar to the feelings you would get from the flu, but worse. I think the first intense experience with Datura I did get an initial sense of euphoria and the flu symptoms weren't as bad. These were dried datura leaves boiled though, the fresh flowers boiled have a lot more toxins (I guess) and I felt badly poisoned when using fresh leaves/flowers so don't use those if you decide to try it.

Anyways I never got too far out on Datura where it lasted forever, but like after a few weeks of tripping on Datura I would get delirium at random times, like when I was working at my old job I would see bugs and shit that weren't there and sometimes feel confused like I didn't know what was going on or what I was doing. I was doing a lot of acid during that time too, but I am pretty sure this was from the datura. That went away though, but the last time I did datura I felt really bad and poisoned. I had to drive home from my friends house because I felt so bad, I just wanted to go to sleep, when I woke up I got a phone call from my friend that the other guy at his house that did it ended up going to the ER, but everything turned out alright.

You see people that aren't really there, but it's like you are imagining it and then you'll realize they aren't really there and you are just on datura. However sometimes it gets so bad you forget you had done the drug, and the hallucinations seem more realistic and you'll get lost in the wonderful world of schizophrenia, which isn't fun, and it can lead to dangerous behavior if you don't have a cardiac failure first and die. I mean at one point during a datura trip I was convinced I was delivering pizza during 3:00am, and I drove almost 2 hours away from the city I lived in, completely out of it. Could of easily gotten a DUI or something, it was bad. I had to stop and get gas at one point and I was in the middle of no where, and some lady came up to me while I was pumping gas but it was a hallucination but I was so convinced she was real when she disappeared I went looking for her for like 30 minutes in the woods near the gas station. Then I realized I was just fucked up and went home.

I mean there is a sense of spirituality too it but nothing like psychedelic tryptamines have given me, but I can see why shamans would apply it to brews and use it as a addition to other compounds (at the right dose). I mean like all hallucinogenics can show you things, and as for as deliriant go its a lot better than benadryl and stuff life that, but it doesn't mean it's any safe, I just like the effects more.

Anyways I don't recommend it, LSD and DMT are a whole lot better! Though Datura can be very powerful, and it will show you things that can change your life forever, but it will and can end your life a lot easier than other safer compounds such as tryptamines. I have no right to tell you what to do though, and if you wanna try it, try it. But be aware of it's side effects, they are no exaggerations.

I think i read somewhere that those interested in exploring Datura should only consider it when they have reached a certain high level of psychadelic maturity. Of course it is Dangerous and not reccomended for simply "trying". I'll guess that it's something that needs extreme respect and time to research out properly especially reading as many trip reports as possible in order to have some slight understanding of what you are dealing with.

-I'm sure it does have it's uses if used wisely, however i think most people are in too much of a rush to "DO" Datura. Best advice is obviously, DON'T DO IT.

How telling is it that Datura, Belladonna and Mandrake are not scheduled?

While I understand the dangers of Datura, and would never take it on its own to get "high" or "F'ed up" - none the less, the traditional uses do still interest me.

So I understand that Datura are used in traditional Ayahuasca brews to combat nausea - does it do anything else though? They must be using sub-psychoactive doses, but is it potentiated by the vine at all? Ron Wheelcock the 'Gringo Shaman' uses it in his brews, so it must have some sort of positive effect.

I also notice it has been used in Changa. How are the effects when smoked in small quantities?

Just curious about facts - not about silly kids who eat something they aren't fully aware of the effects of

Datura isn't a Potentially Dangerous drug; It is DEFENITELY a
dangerous drug. Tropane are nothing to fuck with, in fact,
they do the fucking with you on the receiving end.



Very. It cleary shows their true intentions; They don't mind if people
poison, hurt and kill themselves, just as long as they don't open up
their minds to any other world view than the one enforced by them.

About this forum's policy regarding Datura:
I'm glad the Nexus has such a clear discouraging policy when it comes to
substances like Scopolamine. I'm also glad to see that Datura isn't com-
pletely tabboo'd and still allowed to discuss(allthough discouraged).

If Topics like Datura were tabboo then we couldn't warn people against
mighty stupid plans to ingest handsfull of Datura or Brugmansia seeds.
Harm reduction by factual information & reason is the most sensible
and only workable policy to effectively bring down ignorant drug abuse.


However, let's not forget: The only difference between a Medicine
& a Poison is the Dosage.

Like Ayalove has mentioned; 3 seeds of Datura are known to effectively
kill nausea. This also works to make motion sickness disappear. Very well.
I personally discovered that if 3 Datura seeds are ingested about an hour
prior to sleep, dreams that night will be very vivid, clear, bizarre and
very well remembered the following morning.

Ingesting 3 seeds will never lead to dangerous amounts of Tropane alks
ending up in your system and will not induce the much dreaded delirium.
It will however cause a mild psycho-active effect and the effects I
mentioned above.

Many Ayahuasquero shamans add Brugmansia flowers or leaves to Ayahuasca
brews to make a more visual & confronting brew. I allways assumed that
MAOIs would inhibit the breakdown of Tropane alkaloids too and cause
a build up of lethal bloodlevels of them, but I guess it doesn't work
this way. I suppose knowing JUST the right Datura/Brugmansia dosage
and with what other compounds it is best combined is required to
get a spiritual/psychological advantage from Tropane alkaloids,
without harming or killing yourself.

But we are not Shamans who have generations uppon generations of
collected plant knowledge. So this isn't recommended for anyone
of us either. In fact many shamans prefer to avoid Datura too,
claiming that "under it's effects they can not maintain their
connection to the earth". Well I must say I find them the wiser
amongst the Shamans.

If you value your Sanity and your Life, stay away from this plant.
Datura's only responsible use is 3 Datura seeds for Dream Enhancement
or to eliminate Nausea/Motion-sickness. Any other uses would just be
gambling with your Sanity & your Life.