oddly enough the only time i've ever seen anything i would call "god" would be when i was sober waiting in the car in a sleepy daze early in the morning. it looked more or less exactly like this.

http://img199.imageshack...99/144/1220921221961.jpg

god, as portrayed here, (was the best picture i could find) has 2 tools in it's hand. in my vision they were 2 different tools not the same one. but the 2 different tools made me think about duality at first but then i remembered this video/thread that i found on abovetopsecret.com ( http://www.abovetopsecre...m/forum/thread617610/pg1 ).

the link says that 2 of the major cycles that go back and forth are enlightenment and application each one building on the last. i was wondering about the 2 items in the vision of gods hands i saw and was wondering if maybe they correspond to enlightenment and application.

the video in the link above is extremely informative in the area of mayan time cycles (with the last one of the big count ending on 12/21/2012). to sum up the video (which is actually one part of a bigger speech if you care to watch the rest; i sure enjoyed it) there are 9 time cycles in a long count with each time cycle getting progressively smaller as it reaches the top; and with the same amount of information being disseminated in each time cycle just in a progressively smaller amount of time. one interesting thing is that all or most mayan pyramids have nine levels.

so, has anyone ever seen god? if so what did IT look like? and what you were on if anything. and also i would love to hear you guys's thoughts on the 9 level time cycle/pyramid level thing.

Personally I don't think any man has seen god, but the 2 things in his hands could have been a whip and a scepter. These 2 items have been cared by royalty since the dawn of Egypt. I believe the cycles in the Mayan calender have to do with a stage of Growth like the Renaissance, and then a stage of darkness like the Dark Ages. But most of these things tie back to astrology and have to do with the heavenly bodies and their effects on us. So if you don't believe in astrology you might as well forget anything the ancients have tried to communicate to us. As far as the image above it looks really similar to Baphomet.

I'm sorry but aren't both of your guys's pics both of the Devil and not God?.. I always thought the being with a goats head was the Devil.. I could be wrong but even as nice fancy and fractally the first pic is it still looks like the Devil. Just curious. I have not seen "God" in any of my trips however I believe I have communicated with the ultimate life/light force in the universe, as well as many other entities.

I actually saw God yesterday. Just posted about it in the DMT Experiences subforum under the title "Blind Sided". To me God manifested layer upon layer of reality built up rapidly until all the colors were becoming omnipresent and were bubbling into brilliant white fractals. As the white began to come out of the woodwork, time went from being hyper fast to slowing down immensely whilst cranking up the intensity the whole time. He was talking to me, and he's one of the few entities to talk to me in English and beyond mere telepathy. Usually they talk telepathically through my thoughts and I can't understand it, or if it's English, it's gibberish, but this entity that was perceived as God was perceived as being audibly heard speaking English in a rather jubilant way. He was so jolly, joyful and loving that he was a bit wide-eyed he was so out of his mind happy. Even though he was speaking in sentences that actually made sense, I became too distracted in the sensations and beauty along with the fact that it lasted what was perceived as an incredibly long time such that by the time it was wrapping up, I had been long distracted from what He had been saying. What he looked like wasn't exactly human but within his form, I had the vague sense of a giant face. There was this large rounded mechanical structures that were embedded within his form as well. Whether or not you believe he is really God, you should realize that this entity that I encountered does in fact carry a vast amount of power and energy that is largely unrivaled in practically any other DMT experience and surpasses several orders of what most human beings have the capacity to imagine the true grandiosity of such the mystical encounter and the limits to which human beings can experience unadultered love, joy and the gamut of human emotions no matter how paradoxical and concurrent.

@Global: Wow, what an incredible God. Sounds like one hell of a time.

You say "Whether or not you believe he is really God, you should realize that this entity that I encountered does in fact carry a vast amount of power and energy that is largely unrivaled in practically any other DMT experience and surpasses several orders of what most human beings have the capacity to imagine the true grandiosity of such the mystical encounter and the limits to which human beings can experience unadultered love, joy and the gamut of human emotions no matter how paradoxical and concurrent." I don't doubt one word of that experience, but I do believe that several people have met or experienced in some way "the" God to various degrees. I think that no matter how definitive, unique, powerful, and beautiful one's experience of God or enlightenment is, an other can experience that same spirit in a completely different and special way. That's how crazy God, or the universe is.

Personally, what I've "seen" or experienced of God has been different at different times, as I think the universe is constantly evolving and getting better in every way. The only way to fully experience God is to constantly grow and improve your self and try to keep up.

i looked around for what must've been 30 minutes for that image of god and i had to google psychedelic baphomet to get it. but i have heard that satan(originally perhaps baphomet) is the god of knowledge... except in christianity. the original story of eden would make much more sense if this were true.

I don't disagree in the slightest. The first time I saw him, he looked pretty different and didn't say a word. I was just talking about that very concept to somebody else yesterday: that the godhead takes on many forms, but that depending on your angle of approach and how deep in you can get, he may appear differently on different occasions.

Closest thing to god I've seen is what is inside my own head and that the spirit of the infinite is within us all. About universal god who cares about us etc. I can't say anything, it sounds like bible talk to me. I'm not saying he/she/it doesn't exist but I have had not the slightest information revealed to me about that matter on my journeys, however theme about us being gods have come to me many times very clearly. Of course we can't create planets etc., but that's not relevant in this matter IMO.

If you see a baphomet looking god or anything, it's easy to think he's "the one god"(if there even exists one), however he could be just a fella with mad skills. Just saying that there are obviously many entities who can look as gods in our eyes. Basically I think they're just more progressed beings, altough with the same spirit as ours.
So I think it's very easy to mistake entity as a god(as in the common description as universal being), simply because they can appear awesome beyond our capability to imagine.

i only posted about seeing "god" because i always hear friends talk about seeing god or talking to it. i don't think what i saw was the say all end all; i just hear people talking about god and thought i would share my so called experience of it and see what others have seen or experienced.

Who knows most ancient religions have a hierarchy of spiritual beings could just be a manifestation of your subconscious mind, could be a higher consciousness, or a random spiritual being in the spirit world some are good others are bad. I find it interesting to contemplate what exactly are the entities we meet when we journey.

Yeah... Personally I think it's likely no one has seen "the god", if there actually exists one.
Altough meeting awesome entities can be equally great

I think if you're having concepts of an entity that's "the god" that we have different views of what it means to be God.

to my understanding, we are god... god is the universe and universe is basically a consciousness energy, this world does not exist, its more like an experience just like dream, and we are not individuals, all for one one for all. just like human body, there is billion n billions of cells and other living molecule dying and rebirth which all of them are separate, but working as one consciousness, just like the universe, the earth, everything we know

so, we are the consciousness of the universe which made us god (due to the law of attraction, everything we believe will come true). Maybe there is higher intelligence name themselves god or gods, but it will be impossible for someone or something to be able to create the whole universe. Unless we are in the matrix and someones controlling all these stuff, then they can call themselves GOD~

I am seeking the truth, n I wish one day I'll be know the real truth or there is none~

My, my, my... all these recent discussions pertaining to GOD, here in the Open Discussion section! "Let there be Light." I personally think it is a sign of the times. Really, we are constantly modifying and personalizing our concept of the Divine, to fit the construct of our sensibilities and own unique minds.



My feeling is that "God", the Spirit or the Unified Energy Field, is beyond our conceptual grasp. This does not stop our minds from witnessing visions and revelations about this Omniscient fulcrum of Indivisible consciousness. We are profoundly impacted and forevermore changed by the power of such a direct encounter!

While we can discuss ASPECTS of this great force and merge into it's endless expanse, we cannot ever realistically define the Sacred. How could this conceivably be done? Can Infinity be compressed into a conceptual format? I think not... at best, we can honor, revere and reflect it's blinding, all-knowing radiance.

I am eager to hear more of your ideas, folks. Let's keep these exchanges within the parameters of what The Traveler asks, as we are guests in this house. Meaning, as long as we keep these observations and revaluations, as our honest experiences, expressly qualified as our own personal insights with psychedelics and of course, within our "sober" perceptual epiphanies (not some kind of absolute or dogmaitc decree)... we're all good. I am most intrigued by many of the prior replies and look forward to more of our member's wonderful feelings, ideas and inspirations about the eternal Godhead!

Rising Spirit, I believe God or at least a representation of which can be conceived of and witnessed. However, witnessing and defining are two completely different things as far as the mind is concerned. As can be seen with split-brain patients (patients who have had their corpus callosum severed and thus severing the connection between the hemispheres) in experiments where visual stimuli would be offered to one eye or the other, the person would process the visual input in completely different ways. After acquiring language at around 2 years of age, the left hemisphere which thinks analytically and in language develops at a faster rate than the right hemisphere and as a result most adults are left brain dominant. We're so used to employing this mode of thinking in every day life. Of course this is a bit of an oversimplification, but phenomena experienced in the DMT state and particularly in regards to the mystical experience but above all else to that which is ineffable are largely right brain phenomena that processes with its own logic in wholes and symbols. Information as such doesn't break down well into language under analysis. Because we are so used to left brain style processing, as soon as we're coming out of the state, the mind struggles to consolidate it into it's "left-handed" memory much less verbalize it for the ears of others. Language and the sacred are largely incompatible in the manner that we're wired to process information.

Everybody has

fractals do a good job of that

Well, I've gotta agree with you there, 100%!

I believe, that when our addiction to reason is gradually tamed and therefore, progressively trained into a composed point of restraint (as I believe such practicability is an essential necessity, if one chooses to travel beyond the boundaries of the known)... our perceptual capabilities find new vistas and undeniably, truly epic regions of thought-form to observe.

NO MIND is not a blank slate or a mere catatonic state of mentality, it is an attentive degree of unwavering concentration. One through which such expansion and attunement, creates a conduit into hitherto unknown levels of awareness.

"A picture paints a thousand words." So, then would an endlessly morphing fractal mandala speak a million enigmatic words? Visions can and DO speak volumes about the intricate nature of consciousness. Fractal patterns, spirals, shimmering spectrums of color and pulsations of blinding white light... are aspects of the complex linguistics of the internal universe.

I have often returned to my rationale, to ponder the depth and beauty of the Grid. From this side of the looking glass, I maintain that said Grid, blooms before our subjectivity, to reveal itself a veritable encyclopedia of universal knowledge. I liken it to a cosmic map of sorts.

From remembrance of my own inner visions, creating a vacuum, it draws my attention deeper into it's Sacred Geometry. Pulling my focus towards it's immaterial, central vortex... The Void. So, I feel these are both, templates for the internal workings of our existential cognition, and also, highway signs along the path into the mystery of that insubstantial force, which initially causes quantum fluctuations.

A fascinating portrait of high-energy, mathematical perfection, whose beauty is only limited by the duration of the exalted trance-state, being experienced inside of our being. The finger prints of the Spirit, if that makes any sense? :idea:

P.S.
I feel I must emphatically clarify one issue here, I am not an anti-logician. Do forgive me if I come across as such. How could one refute the intrinsic value of half of one's own, holistic panorama of being? Reason is a spotlight into the murky tangle of otherwise, chaotic and unintelligible occurrences, which pass before our field of mental reception. It makes sense out of the paradigm of our own material, existential incarnation.

Music without rationale is cacophonous noise. Architecture with mathematical principles in total command, is both is a poor structure to live within and hazardous for earthly, organic existence. Pragmatic observation is a valuable and quintessential tool to utilize, when decoding the puzzle of this life as we know it.

That being said... it is a tyrannical overlord, if allowed to unbalance the human condition. The Age of Reason is but an eyelash upon the EYE of humankind's continuous, morphing awareness, whose single blink is an eternity in the making. The same can be said for our instincts and intuitions. It is my speculation, that only by uniting these spheres, that we become fully capable of any modicum of clarity and/or degree of cohesive insightfulness.

Inspiration without intelligence is a rush of feelings and sensations, without order or a harmonious balance of polarities in thought. Each sphere of cognitive awareness has it's place in humanity's attempt to touch the stars and unravel the greatest riddles of this vast multiverse. It behooves us to harmonize both spheres into a greater functioning perceptual lens, by which we might look still further into the unfathomable and glean new insights.

"to my understanding, we are god... god is the universe and universe is basically a consciousness energy"

"My feeling is that "God", the Spirit or the Unified Energy Field, is beyond our conceptual grasp"

I think these two statements are the most level-headed and realistic about "god." I would say I've whitnessed what I would call the creator after a harrowing mushroom trip, which ended with me, bodiless, existing before, imagine this...a galaxy? type formation, with an eye in the middle, swirling and reforming itself every 2 or 3 seconds. Pretty cliche.

However, if you talk about god, I would say its the ultimate whole of the universe. Every piece of energy (E = mc^2) as a whole is god.

I think, hilariously enough, Bill Hicks has the best line as far as all of this goes...that "all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively..."

I dont think you could ever experience god because as a human, you are cut off from the tiny percentage of the whole divine energy matrix that makes up you. As long as you exist, you cannot fully comprehend god. Once you don't exist, you go back to being god, and would need some other form of consciousness to percieve yourself as god.

Then again, maybe thats the experience of the godhead?

We are to our cells what god is to us.

If God is everything, is it not unfair to isolate a small chunk of matter or energy and say that's God as well? If God is everywhere and infinite, then it stands to as much reason as can be applied to the subject matter that your brain just has to recognize the right pattern. If God is infinite, then he should be fractal and one should be able to perceive his essence on any level if one's mind is looking for the right thing. I think one of the main issues here is the "either-or" logic dominantly applied with the left hemisphere, as opposed to the right's "both-and" logic (God is both big and small, he's both good and evil, he's both hot and cold, he's both the alpha and the omega...). I think part of what you're saying is that since we lack the capacity to perceive God in his totality, then we can't really have an understanding or concept of God, however to follow through on logic, if God is infinitely large, then even God himself wouldn't have the full capacity to be able to observe himself because he would have no distance from which to make the observation. Some believe that's why he created life in the first place, so that he could experience himself subjectively (*hint: bill hicks quote).