Hey Everyone @ Nexus,

Swim has always used De-Ironised water for swim's STB tek's (it has always been routine) but swim want's to try using normal tap water, do you think this will affect the strengh and quality of swim's Final Product ?

Any Answers would be appriciated

(swim did hear someone saying Tap water is good as it has minerals init which is good for the quality of your final product, but swim dont know wheather to beleive that or not???)

Been using straight tap water for all my STB attempts. I always pull pure white crystals...except one time I heated the NAPTHA too much during the extraction. Heating the NAPTHA allows more spice to be collected but it also allows non-spice alkaloids to be pulled as well. But that has nothing to do with the water...



thankyou

deionized or distilled water will result in a purer final product than using tap water..so no, tap water is not better. If you take some tap water, and let it evaporate, you will notice there remain a whitish residuum. this is prolly chlorine and a bunch of other chemicals; so they will end up in your final product.
however, swim has used tap water before, and so have many others with no huge noticeable difference, so it can be used. but for a purer product, go with distilled

you could simply use Britta filtered water, its 30 $ and it filter everything thats bigger than 10 microns.

Ok thanyou Phantastica, that sounds logical

Swim will carry on using distilled water, but will try a 20g dose with noraml tap water STB and see what results are like compared to de-ironised water

Thanks everyone..........

np You plan on extracting from 20g bark you mean? i would suggest extracting from at least 50g bark. the product from 20g would be so low (~0.3g) that its not worth the time imo. sure you will gain some experience, but when i did small scale extractions, i was like "wtf is this!? thats all!? fuck this" Its only gonna be a couple of grains, so go a little higher cuz that way you also make the best of your NPS...unless thats all the bark you have ofcourse..
p.s. i would suggest PanoraMix's A/B. its exactly like the STB, with a vinegar pre-soak, which actually results in a much higher yield than STB

Well now you mention it, swim has wanted to try another tek for a while now! (and if it increases the overall amount of you final product...)

shall have a look @ that A/B tek!

Swim is getting around 1g - 1.2g of white-ish slightly golden yellow crystals out of 100g of Mimosa Hostills from swim's current STB Tek, if an A/B can create more quantity and quality! why not suppose :arrow:

this also depends on the NPS you use. Mimosa has ~2% dmt, so you need to use a wide-range NPS to pull it all out; but if you're using Naptha, you can only pull ~1% since it only pulls mosly white spice (nn-dmt). in this case, for the other 1% (dmt-oxide), you need to pull with a wide-range NPS that pulls a wider range of alkaloids, like d-Limonene, Xylene, Toluene, etc.
The basic principle of the tek however remains the same with a few minor adjustments. Read the teks listed here in the Wiki for a better understanding: Extraction Teks

So by using naphtha your preety much wasting ~1% DMT. never realised it was that bad, that would be double the quantity of final product, dammmmmmmmmm!!

would want to try using another NPS with an STB tek bfore go onto A/B's through, just to see what results get

Someone recently wrote about using wide range NPS to pull n-oxide/jungle from "spent" stb naphta and the results seem to be quite good (just can't find
the thread right now).

its not possible to pull dmt-oxides from Naptha, let alone spent naptha, because Naptha has a narrow range of alkaloidal solubility, so it never pulls the dmt-oxides in the first place. it only pulls the nn-dmt.

perhaps you're talking about this thread:Honey Spice? In this method, DoS uses methanol to pull the remaining dmt from the the spent naptha; and from my specultaion based on this thread, i would say that its mostly jungle-spice. Personally, after trying the honey spice method, i didn't much enjoy it. it was much bitter, harsher, and not as deep for me..but i must also admit that i did a small scale extraction, so there was probably not much dmt left in the naptha anyway. it was mostly just plant oils, thus i cannot assert any conclusion about the honey spice method.

Chlorine is a gas and will evaporate. You may get some calcium deposits, but that depends on the quality of your water supply. On any case on a STB you are going to add something much stronger than calcium carbonate (probably the source for the deposits) and besides that, most everything on water is highly unlikely to get passed to an NP solvent.

If you are into something more "natural" and do not like, for philosophical or mystical reasons, tap water, you simply can't go wrong with simple bottled mineral water. I do not understand why use distilled water for, some seconds later, add a ton of NaOH and a very dirty bark powder!

yerr personally i have kind of went down that road as i did have around 500ml of used naphtha (had done 3 pulls and was very yellowish) done a freeze precip and it is not worth the time, got nothing in return

And maybe the honey spice method would be great method to pull remaaining dmt of from your naphtha? has anyone tried it on a large scale extraction with good results ?

Welll just to update on this thread, i did try using normal tap water on a 20g extraction. and there was'nt much difference but for some reason i still feel its an essential to use De-ironised or mineral water on my extractions

PeAcE All............

I get my water from a hand dug well. I dont know the ph of my water I dont even know what the break down of the mineral content in it is. I dont think it has allot of iron in it. I dont use a water softener. I use it for all my extractions that call for water. I used to use some special bottled stuff. The reality is it's not necessary. Straight out of the tap works fine. I'm not aware that Naphtha pulls allot of minerals with the DMT.

I don’t think it is that likely that many of us have much iron in any of our water sources. I think the OP is actually talking about de-ionised water

Ive used both tap water and de-ionised or distilled water and I've found no difference at all for the typical dmt extraction.

Yeah there was'nt any difference @ all endlessness but for some reason it seemse right 2 me. lke maybe it was just getting used to the routine of using it? ether way i lke to use it (makes me happy 4 some reason)

but you all our right, i should'nt be wasting my cash on ''special water'' lol

There should be no problems using tap water for an STB unless the mineral content (depending on hardness of the water) can be pulled using naptha and therefore contaminate the end product - which doesn't actually happen if memory serves.

Therefore you are really wasting money

I quite like buying de-ionised water occasionally, but more for the nice big HDPE containers it comes in than anything. I have never noticed any obvious difference in yield or purity from any type of water so far.