Im sure you have all heard about the calcification of the pineal gland caused by fluoride/aging, what have you..and I was thinking this crackling noise you hear when you smoke spice, which sadly I've yet to hear, could this be the emergence of the pineal butterfly from its calcified coccoon when it is exposed to a high dose of dmt?

What I think it is, is that you're hearing some fundamental frequency that's always there, but you're just not quite "equipped" to hear it. Makes me curious as to whether you can hear a dog whistle on DMT, and if so, maybe my theory would have a little more validity to it.

Yeah I don't know how valid it is but fluoride is suppose to cause your pineal gland to calcify! Like I said I don't know how true that is but I use toms naturals just incase the frequency thing is a good possibility I've noticed that when I meditate I can tune into this sound it's like a wahwah sound like a giant slow moving fan would sound or somthing, anyway when I focus on it i seem to go into deep meditation.

I doubt it... from the little I can remember from my Uni course about the biology of the human ear, I think we are limited by the physical structure of our ears as to which frequencies we can hear (all to do the basilar membrane I think)... It was about 3 years ago that I studied it, so I could be wrong - bit rusty on it now :S. I'll have to look into it later when I'm back home

Edit: I'm talking about the dog whistle part here by the way - I guess it could be possible for DMT to give you some kind of auditory hallucination that bypasses the ears - ie. re-wiring your brain to make you 'hear' things. Who knows?

I believe there is some substantial research about the harm in fluoride.. (Its in our water aswell)
There are groups popping up in Canada - Large one in Toronto - Trying to ban fluoride.

yes floride is terrable for your pineal gland that is why it is in our water. They use it as a mood controle and dulls us down as humans. I'm looing to buy a filter for it! We need to de calsify our glands by listening to binurral beats and using tuning forks on our chakras! I don't think it was ever proved that dmt is produced in our pineal gland ( or so the the government lets us believe so). I
believe it dose cuz I feel it surging. Ever feel that feeling after you had a strong dream or over slept, I get the same feeling during the after glow. Eat a bunch of raw pumpkin seeds to lucid dream! And awake! I once thought I was lucid dreaming and I thought it would be cool to hit the deemsters bong. Well I realized in a few minuts I was not dreaming at all SHOOOOPP woops! Haaaha

Can someone come up with reliable sources for claims such as:

a- Fluoride calcifies the pineal by drinking amounts present in tap water
b- Fluoride is toxic/terrible/bad for you. (if so, what dosages, what conditions, etc)
c- that the government wants us to believe the pineal doesnt create dmt and that it does in fact produce

Otherwise this is typical conspiracy theory not backed by sources, which has no place in the nexus

Thank you

This is the most convincing source I've seen for that kind of info :

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

Granted, it does not precisely answer the questions you ask, but reveals enough for me to get worried. The question of "government intent" is another matter altogether. That's where the conspiracy theories come in. A lot of people have a hard time taking responsibility for their existential discomfort.

http://www.reuters.com/a...+02-Jan-2008+PRN20080102

I trust scientific america over my ignorant dentist who acted like I was nuts for refusing toxic flouride.

in that same context show me that hyperspace is real? Please do... Thanks

Who said it is real, and what difference does it make? https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=134723#post134723

Its obviously different discussions altogether, hyperspace's validity or the discussion of unfounded conspiracy theories in a forum that explicitly says this is not the place for it

I will read the links and post my thoughts later.

Fluoride does not calcify the pineal gland. Calcification of he pineal gland is a normal process during life; older people have more calcium deposits in the pineal tan young ones.
This is a good study showing some research on fluoride deposition in the human pineal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672

So basically fluoride intake causes fluoride deposition, not calcification. The implications of this are unknown for the moment. To say that it makes the population dumbs the population is silly, esp when no studies exist on that. To say that fluoride is toxic is also silly; the poison is in the dosage.

Ah, and yeah, no bloody conspiracy theories around here!

From www.flouridealert.org


Sorry for the long qoute

So does it make sense that the flouride is attracted to the calcium in the pineal gland? I think so since flouride absorbs into the calcium in the teeth and the bones. A little helps stop tooth rot, but oo much will make them brittle. As far as flouride in the drinking water I think this doesn't help our teeth that much. It's ok in toothpaste but ingesting it is probably not good for you.

"Why is flouride in our water?" you ask. Some people think there is this secret government conspiracy to dumb us down. They think this because of the use of flouride in the Nazi concentration camps and in the Russian gulags was succesfull in keeping inmates submissive. Keep in mind most anti-depressants are made with flouride. But I think it comes down to money$$$$$. Flouride is a waste product of aluminum production. Rather that pay millions in disposing this , why not just sell it to citys all over to put in there water. You just turned a cost into a profit.

Edit: Watch the flouride deception. The man who premoted flouride in drinking water was the same man who launch a huge ad campaign to promote smoking for the tobacco companies. He was probably working for the aluminum companies.

"So if flouride is attracted to calcium, then what causes calcification of the pineal gland?" you ask. I have a theory on this one too, but not to sure. A mineral imbalance. Wikipedia says 61% of Americans do not meet RDA requirements of Magnesium. Some estimate this up to 85%. Some say the RDA level is too low too. Your body needs Magnesium to use calcium properly. So without proper magnesium to use calcium it builds up in the body and apparently the pineal gland is the worst spot. Thats why you see alot of Calmag supplements with the proper Calcium to Magnesium ratio of I think 2:1 so your body can use the calcium properly.

I've read about other de-calcification remedys but not sure if they work or not. Any thoughts anyone?

Dr. Jennifer Luke did her fluoride and pineal research in gerbils and their sexual maturation times. It really it says nothing adverse about humans. The fluoridealerd page is also full of propaganda and lacking a lot in the objectivity department.

Also, let's try to keep conspiracy theories away from it. If someone has some research to show about adverse effects in humans then he should just show it and stop talking from what some people write on the internet.

Note that research excerpts that show that e.g. fluoride in pineal changes the activity of this and that enzyme, changes melatonin secretion and whatnot does not equal adverse effects. All in all I have seen many the studies on the issue, none was really convincing at even slightly pushing the argument of fluoride toxicity in the pineal. But I may have missed something.

So, do you believe in the other site www.flouridealert.com (instead of .org) which praises the benefits of Flouride. I think that one is propaganda. You have to look at both sides of every coin. The .org site provides new data since the 90's that contradicts the old propaganda from the 50's when water flouridification was introduced.

All I'm saying is that the calcification of the pineal gland is one condition and that the flouride deposites in it. Both wich have been proven. What Dr. Jennifer is saying is that it effects melatonin production which proves it effects the enzymes in the pineal.

You should read "DMT: the spirit molecule" because he talks alot about the pineal gland and melatonin and its effects. He talks alot about melatonin and sexual function. I think anything that screws with this isn't good, and as we can see calcification and flouride screw with this gland.

FLOURIDE GOOD FOR TEETH NOT FOR BODY. Good in toothpaste, not in drinking water.

No, I prefer to read the primary research papers and not rely on some website or internet dudes to tell me their interpretation of the actual experiments conducted, the results obtained and their significance.


No disagreement with the deposits,the disagreement is on the significance. Effect on melatonin production does not imply effect on melatonin physiology. For instance, if the pineal produces less melatonin then upregulation of melatonin receptors at the effector sites of melatonin, and/or reduced turnover of melatonin compensates for this reduced levels and everything works as normal. These strategies are very common regulatory mechanism in biological systems for augmentation or quenching of a signal (melatonin in this case)


No, because this book is not the authority on pineal physiology. You should read it and find this out? It is a book where a researcher doctor accounts his research with IV administration of dmt, a short-acting hallucinogen to human volunteers


Sorry you lost me here. Bold statements are so NOT this forum.

There seems to be a rather impolite tone coming from both sides of this argument, no matter how "mature" either side is trying to be. Can we take it down in intensity a bit.

Sorry about the bold. That was just my main thought about flouride. No disrespect. I didn't mean to insult about the book, I just thought someone might be interested to know that there is good information on chapter 3 about Dr.Strassman's research and studies done on the pineal and melatonin and its effects. He did study Melatonin before DMT. I respect this forum and everyone on it.



I agree with this 100%. I just don't want flouride in my Pineal affecting my melatonin ,and who knows what else, weather its adverse or not. If I can prevent it I will.

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I understand the concern and I applaud the attitude! But I did not feel it was impolite in any way. Mind you, this is just written language and it is not easy to convey the mood of the poster. Conversations can look sharp and dry at times (maybe we should use more emoticons?) but no impolite!