How come it works better when consuming it when compared with freebase? I see people say that it works alot more consistantly than freebase and do the effects differ at all?

SWIM recently tried 3g of syrian rue and 180mg of freebase dmt to no effects at all. This may of been timing but who knows, i have now got some (impure at the moment) harmala and was wondering if i should give freebase another go or go for fumarate... or just try making aya instead of pharma!

It has to do with the pharmacokinetics. The salt probably absorbs better then the freebase in the stomach/intestinal tract.

But 180mg and no effects damn? Thats odd. For SWIMs SWIM 40mg of freebase + 200mg harmaloids equals few hours in lala land. I really think people metabolize this stuff very differently. SWIM would go insane on 180mg dose.

180 mg! Holy crap! That is something SWIM would never attempt. 40 mg is on the verge of way too much for SWIM.

Try taking the DMT with the harmalas in orange juice at the same time. That always works, even with freebase DMT. Trying to time it by taking the harmalas first is not a good idea. Most of the people SWIM has seen that can’t get effects, did it by taking the harmalas first, and then the DMT. It’s very possible that for some people complete MAOI protection is regained really fast, so that taking the harmalas several minutes before the DMT will be too long. SWIM is like that it seems. He needs to take the DMT at the same time or it does almost nothing at all.

....on the other hand for SWIM 180mg of freebase orally is just where things start happening, very mild visuals and the effect wears off 1 hour hater. He needs at least 250mg for a fun ride pharma.

SWIM has never seen as much variation in dosage among people as with oral dmt. It is very strange. some are getting floored by 40mg and other cannot take off with 200mg.

BTW, how exactly did SWIY take the pharma?

stewed the rue for a little while, drank the tea, then when i started feeling the rue a little bit i took the dmt. Nothing happend at all really annoyed me since i'd set myself off that i was gonna be having a wild ride!

150mg Moclobemide + 125mg DMT fumarate (in a capsule) was a very chilled out, light experience.

150mg Moclobemide + 125mg DMT fumarate (dissolved in apple juice, with a few drops of lemon) was an incredibly intense, dark, yawny and unpleasant experience, that floored me for a while. Swore off Moclobemide after this.

But fumurate is definitely active, but these two experiences showed me just how important it is, HOW you ingest your DMT. The difference between the two experiences was EXTREME, despite exactly the same doses of both MAOI + DMT used both times. Yes gelcaps slow everything down (have sworn off them for ingesting DMT), but I think the acids in the fruit juice must have aided in absorption.

Also I'm someone who would ingest 200/250mg of freebase DMT for a pharma experience.

40mg for me is getting too intense too...even in a cap...i use to think caps didnt work at all..until i tried it with poking one hole in the end...put 48mg dmt fumarate(which is only a possible 36mg freebase) plus 100mg harmine plus 30mg harmaline in a cap with a hole...and holy shit....completely overwhelming in about an hour..one of those experiences you just start swearing...and praying to god...much purging...after the 3 hour peak which seemed like an eternity...i came down a LITTLE...and continued having strong visuals for another 12 hours!!!

if i could take that much and get an experience THAT long i dont think id EVER smoke it!!!

Still haven't had a successful "huasca" but my harmalas are drying out right now so we shall see very soon!

Have only attempted a pharma once and it was hell! Took 200 mg rue extract with 20 mg DMT in the same cap, was a hellish experience. Felt like I had eaten some bad meat and then snorted a bunch of coke. Just jittery and nauseous for 3 hours. Kind of worried of trying it again.

About a week back..took 40mg FASI fumarate with 75 Harmaline/75 Harmine/50 THH in a 000 cap and poked a hole with a safety pin in the end.

Swallowed with a glass of grapefruit juice. Didn't feel much in the way of anything for about 40-50 minutes.

Right around the hour mark..felt this "creeeepiingggg" feeling of something building and bulding in the heart region... Started to work its way through the body to the head

Everything in the garage started to shift heavily with this sorta "holographic effect". This kept building in intensity for roughly 35-40 minutes until it was almost tooo much. Got up and went outside to see n' experience the most beautiful thing ever seen Words are hard to do it justice..

First pharma experience ever and will definitely continue with these amazing journeys!!