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My first TEK- Inyectable grade DMT, but some doubts Options
 
Smoker root
#1 Posted : 6/30/2019 12:20:06 AM

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Well, I have no god dam idea of how you do things around here and how an easy extraction goes. I just know that mimosa has a great deal of DMT it is extracted with an alcohol, and that a regular A/B extraction works marvellous. I mean I know the basics, acidify, basify and extract with non polar, but I hace more experienced in organic chemistry. Aldo I have heard from gordo's DMT extraction, but I think that it lacks consintency(meaning that the final yield depends mostly on how much dpes the Chemist stirr) as well as the fact that is very difficult to make inyectable DMT this way. So I experimented a bit and I developed a extraction that is far from perfect but I think that if someone aplied what I write on my notes, it could be a really good. So let's beguin

Firstly I must clarify the conditions this procedure was carried in. Everithing was made in a glass structure made from a fish tank(a big one) ,with some holes, wich was esteralized with bleach and rubbing alcohol. This was the same as for the glassware, aldo the glassware was also baked. Normally someone would watch out for dust and scratches in beakers, but I am setting a new lab and this has just come out of the box(yesterday) I wear nitrile gloves wich were esterilized with rubbing alcohol, However I cleaned my arms up to the elbows with soapy water and rubbing alcohol. I also weared a dust mask, and decided not to use a vent hod since it could Transfer particles to the mixture(for the same reason the room was keep without AC) and aldo it may seem dumb I had no problems I also covered the table I was working in with a plástic sheet which was steralized with bleach and rubbing alcohol. Aswell everithing was lab graded. Ok so now let's beguin, I plan on writing it up better but this should do.


I got some mimosa from my plug and it came in a huge cement bag, some of the cuttings were rotten due to moister. So I selected the best(the ones that looked better) and grinned them up yo a thin powder with a coffe grinder, this was done outside the estériles box) When it was done the powder was transfered to a 2l beaker with a stirrbar(Cross shaped) and transfered to the sterile box. In there 500ml of destiled water were aded. The pH was measured with an electronic pH meter, and was brought down to 2 with HCL(35%, I can not recall surely) a few drops were aded and the pH was measured. This way slowly the pH was brought to 2. The solution was left to stirr some time(3h)

After that I wanted to filter out that plant junk since now it could only bring contaminants, so I vacum filtered it wetting the paper with water and triying to squeze every possible drop of mixture. The liquid was places on a 2l beaker(other one) and the pH was reajusted with some Pellets of NaOH to 12 following the same technique as before. And was left to stirr for other 3h or so

When I came back i extracted it whith 100ml of hot NAFTA (heated to around 50 since it began to boil vigurously, with a water bath heating up water and suspending the water there) and left to stirr for 5min. Then it was put to a 1L sep funnel and the naptha layer was drained into a measuring cilinder and it was boiled of 50% by volume using a water bath, However this time it was keeped more cold so it did not boil of everywere. This was put into a Pyrex plate an put into the frezer over night. 4 more pulls were done.

The ending product was 1.8g of awesome white stuff, However I am quite concerned about the yield. However, the product should have little to no outside contaminants.

Notes

1. This is not well written due to the astonsihing fact of having hig levels of alcohol in my blood as well as not being English my Main launguage, and that I have auto correct fucking with me.
2. Concentration of HCL was to high, I think a really dilute marked version would hace work best
3. The adition of NaOH could be inproved if it was added in a solution not as a solid
4. The NAFTA was heated to much, i think it could monitoreo the temp next time and just heat it between 30-50 c(maybe I am wrong dunno, correct me please)
5. I did not heat and stirr the NAFTA mimosa mixture since I don't have a magnetic stirrer with hotplate, but it could help sustain the temperature of the naphta.
6. Every pull was done on one sitting which is a huge mistake! It should be done on different days, but I was inpatient
7. A further recristalization might be desired in heptane, just disolve the DMT in some un a Pyrex plate and put it in the frezer
8. I did not want to shake the mixture in the sep funnel since I thought it could form an emulsion, and i thought that with strong stirring it would be enough.
9.To acidifie and basifie I used two very agresive compounds, I could hace used vinegar and calcium hydroxide instead but I did not know exactly how and I feared it may became a solid so I stuck with the old trusty NaOH and HCL
10. Some contamination might have come un the filtering procces fue to the filter paper, However this should be very little.
11. If the pulls were to do in not just one sitting one would store the bark mixture in it's beaker but in an airtight sealded esterile container(Tupperware)
12. For storage of DMT one would use a desecator, prevent light hitting it, using and oxygen absorber with regular medium temp. So a good option is to store it in an ambar container with oxygen absorber in and in a dark place like a drawer.
13. Obviously I treated naphta with little respect, I did not want to contaminated the mixture so I did no do it with venting. However, the holes the box had to fit my hands I think we're enough venting, I must also say that it was done inside. It could be better if it was done in a clean vent hood that does not get un junk. Because, Aldo it might not look like it it happens quite often(it fucked my first synthesis of a synthetic cannabinoid, it gave me a shity product fue to vent hood contamination) Vent hood contamination might not happen everywere, but since I live in a very poluted and dusty city it is fucked, my main exaust is outside and it is not the first time i come around with some dust in the interior.
14. I was wearing a cap and clean clothes, I stayed un house so I don't think they got to dirty. But it should be notes that this procedure should be carried out using a full lab suit
15. And, o yeah. MIMOSA WAS SHIT! It was older than me for sure and the trip from south América must have been really bad and it might have fucked up, I Will try and find a local source.

Please feel free to call me idiot for my creation since I AM quite new in this and is pretty reasonable that I get lots of it wrong, I want ti improve this TEK since it is the only one that gives a Chemist the option of doing it consistently and really sterile.
Aswell correct me in everithing I get wrong or might improve this TEK.

Thanks!Razz

PS: I think I am going to call it "Dr. Root's clean DMT extraction"
 

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TrevorPhillips
#2 Posted : 6/30/2019 10:43:12 PM

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Hello friend

Trevor sees quite a few issues here. He will try to address them all.
Trevor hopes you take what he says as constructive criticism and use it to improve next time around.


The first thing trevor sees is that your post violates the attitude section here in several ways. Trevor has been lurking here a long time and says you will be much bettef recieved following the rules here.
Try not to swear use slang terms and promote dangerous activities or behavior.
Trevor clearly sees swearing.

Trevor sees references to a "plug" that are approaching borderline sourcing which is not allowed

Trevor sees dangerous behavior with solvent and also the idea of injecting home extracted DMT.
Trevor believes DMT extracted at home is unsafe for injection and it is frownes upon to do so here.
Trevor says proffessional chemists are an exception but your post suggests you are far from proffessional.


With the attitude part out of the way trevor will begin to address the issues he sees in your TEK which he feels you are not yet qualified to be writing.


Trevor first wonders was your bark still wet when you recieved it?
Rotting due to moisture would suggest so
Trevor says if this is the case he suggests you find a new "plug".
Rootbark should be dry unless you are harvesting yourself from a living tree.
Trevor says all the teks here give final yeilds as a percentage of DRY weight of bark.


Trevors second question is why the glass box and sterilization? No TEKS here call for that.
Trevor says it does not seem logical to sterilize equipment and protect from dust and enviornmental contaminants when you start with material that was literally dug out of the ground and by nature is dirty.
Trevor says he could be wrong here but he also thinks pharmaceutical grade DMT safe cor injecting is typically synthetic.


Trevor says number three is why use HCL when most teks here work well using much weaker acids?
Did you look at the tried and true TEKS posted here?
Try reading through cybs max ion tek.


Trevor says if you want to make DMT safe for injection try studying good manufacturing practices (GMP) and good labratory practices (GLP).
They use these regulations to make sure pharmaceuticals are manufactured in a way that keeps them safe and free of contaminants and dangerous impurities.
Some of this it seems you may already know.


On to your questions.


Number 2 and 3 can be solved by following a TEK like the one mentioned above.
It uses vinegar sold for food use and uses NaOH solution not dry powder.

Number 4 you can get away without using high heat.
Trevor never uses water above 100°F in his water bath.


Number 5 try using a closed container that allows for shaking.
Trevor has a boiling flask he got with a distillation kit.
This works well with a stopper in the top.

Number 6 you answered yourself.

Number 7 yes heptane re-x is always reccommended.

Number 8 separatory funnels work best for separating solvents heavier than water.
Ditch the separatory funnel for a 10ml pipette.

Number 9 vinegar and NaOH work fine.

Number 10 try decanting most plant matter.
For finer sediment whatman makes filter papers resistant to acids and bases

Number 11 no tupperware unless plastic is compatible with solvent fumes.
Even then glass containers that can be closed are preferred.

Number 12 i store in amber colored glass vials.
No dessicants or oxygen absorbers just full vials.
Never had a potency issue leaving vials in a droor in an air conditioned room.

Number 13 and 14 i cant help with.



 
DreadedShaman
#3 Posted : 6/30/2019 10:49:45 PM

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TrevorPhillips wrote:
Hello friend

Trevor sees quite a few issues here. He will try to address them all.
Trevor hopes you take what he says as constructive criticism and use it to improve next time around.


The first thing trevor sees is that your post violates the attitude section here in several ways. Trevor has been lurking here a long time and says you will be much bettef recieved following the rules here.
Try not to swear use slang terms and promote dangerous activities or behavior.
Trevor clearly sees swearing.

Trevor sees references to a "plug" that are approaching borderline sourcing which is not allowed

Trevor sees dangerous behavior with solvent and also the idea of injecting home extracted DMT.
Trevor believes DMT extracted at home is unsafe for injection and it is frownes upon to do so here.
Trevor says proffessional chemists are an exception but your post suggests you are far from proffessional.


With the attitude part out of the way trevor will begin to address the issues he sees in your TEK which he feels you are not yet qualified to be writing.


Trevor first wonders was your bark still wet when you recieved it?
Rotting due to moisture would suggest so
Trevor says if this is the case he suggests you find a new "plug".
Rootbark should be dry unless you are harvesting yourself from a living tree.
Trevor says all the teks here give final yeilds as a percentage of DRY weight of bark.


Trevors second question is why the glass box and sterilization? No TEKS here call for that.
Trevor says it does not seem logical to sterilize equipment and protect from dust and enviornmental contaminants when you start with material that was literally dug out of the ground and by nature is dirty.
Trevor says he could be wrong here but he also thinks pharmaceutical grade DMT safe cor injecting is typically synthetic.


Trevor says number three is why use HCL when most teks here work well using much weaker acids?
Did you look at the tried and true TEKS posted here?
Try reading through cybs max ion tek.


Trevor says if you want to make DMT safe for injection try studying good manufacturing practices (GMP) and good labratory practices (GLP).
They use these regulations to make sure pharmaceuticals are manufactured in a way that keeps them safe and free of contaminants and dangerous impurities.
Some of this it seems you may already know.


On to your questions.


Number 2 and 3 can be solved by following a TEK like the one mentioned above.
It uses vinegar sold for food use and uses NaOH solution not dry powder.

Number 4 you can get away without using high heat.
Trevor never uses water above 100°F in his water bath.


Number 5 try using a closed container that allows for shaking.
Trevor has a boiling flask he got with a distillation kit.
This works well with a stopper in the top.

Number 6 you answered yourself.

Number 7 yes heptane re-x is always reccommended.

Number 8 separatory funnels work best for separating solvents heavier than water.
Ditch the separatory funnel for a 10ml pipette.

Number 9 vinegar and NaOH work fine.

Number 10 try decanting most plant matter.
For finer sediment whatman makes filter papers resistant to acids and bases

Number 11 no tupperware unless plastic is compatible with solvent fumes.
Even then glass containers that can be closed are preferred.

Number 12 i store in amber colored glass vials.
No dessicants or oxygen absorbers just full vials.
Never had a potency issue leaving vials in a droor in an air conditioned room.

Number 13 and 14 i cant help with.





I had some things to say, but I think Trev summed up what I had to say pretty well.

My main advice is to familiarize yourself with the attitude and rules of the forum.

Spend your time browsing the different sections too, many issues that people run into have been encountered, asked about and answered at least once before.
 
Smoker root
#4 Posted : 6/30/2019 11:45:45 PM

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TrevorPhillips wrote:
Hello friend

Trevor sees quite a few issues here. He will try to address them all.
Trevor hopes you take what he says as constructive criticism and use it to improve next time around.


The first thing trevor sees is that your post violates the attitude section here in several ways. Trevor has been lurking here a long time and says you will be much bettef recieved following the rules here.
Try not to swear use slang terms and promote dangerous activities or behavior.
Trevor clearly sees swearing.

Trevor sees references to a "plug" that are approaching borderline sourcing which is not allowed

Trevor sees dangerous behavior with solvent and also the idea of injecting home extracted DMT.
Trevor believes DMT extracted at home is unsafe for injection and it is frownes upon to do so here.
Trevor says proffessional chemists are an exception but your post suggests you are far from proffessional.


With the attitude part out of the way trevor will begin to address the issues he sees in your TEK which he feels you are not yet qualified to be writing.


Trevor first wonders was your bark still wet when you recieved it?
Rotting due to moisture would suggest so
Trevor says if this is the case he suggests you find a new "plug".
Rootbark should be dry unless you are harvesting yourself from a living tree.
Trevor says all the teks here give final yeilds as a percentage of DRY weight of bark.


Trevors second question is why the glass box and sterilization? No TEKS here call for that.
Trevor says it does not seem logical to sterilize equipment and protect from dust and enviornmental contaminants when you start with material that was literally dug out of the ground and by nature is dirty.
Trevor says he could be wrong here but he also thinks pharmaceutical grade DMT safe cor injecting is typically synthetic.


Trevor says number three is why use HCL when most teks here work well using much weaker acids?
Did you look at the tried and true TEKS posted here?
Try reading through cybs max ion tek.


Trevor says if you want to make DMT safe for injection try studying good manufacturing practices (GMP) and good labratory practices (GLP).
They use these regulations to make sure pharmaceuticals are manufactured in a way that keeps them safe and free of contaminants and dangerous impurities.
Some of this it seems you may already know.


On to your questions.


Number 2 and 3 can be solved by following a TEK like the one mentioned above.
It uses vinegar sold for food use and uses NaOH solution not dry powder.

Number 4 you can get away without using high heat.
Trevor never uses water above 100°F in his water bath.


Number 5 try using a closed container that allows for shaking.
Trevor has a boiling flask he got with a distillation kit.
This works well with a stopper in the top.

Number 6 you answered yourself.

Number 7 yes heptane re-x is always reccommended.

Number 8 separatory funnels work best for separating solvents heavier than water.
Ditch the separatory funnel for a 10ml pipette.

Number 9 vinegar and NaOH work fine.

Number 10 try decanting most plant matter.
For finer sediment whatman makes filter papers resistant to acids and bases

Number 11 no tupperware unless plastic is compatible with solvent fumes.
Even then glass containers that can be closed are preferred.

Number 12 i store in amber colored glass vials.
No dessicants or oxygen absorbers just full vials.
Never had a potency issue leaving vials in a droor in an air conditioned room.

Number 13 and 14 i cant help with.





Hi thanks T. I Will try yo swear less, there was only some root bark that had some weird spots so I thought it was gone bad.

The reason for keeping everithing sterile is to try and keep everithing without other bad stuff coming in contact. The advantage of steralizing everithing is that you get sure thqt there is no risk of outside contaminants, and the mimosa was filtered and aldo some bad stuff might be in there, basically some cellulose, but not usually carried with the product with a recristalization on heptane or they just breakdown when hot solvent is poured.

The HCL was used since that is how they do it in a place close to we're they make the coke in the Naya, si that is why I used it. I read Gordo's technique.

The idea of stirring instead of shaking was to prevente emulsions and keep a continius level o agitation continious, so in most of the runs the same amount of stirring is done more or less.

Number 11, I meant putting in a container(ámbar vial covered with al foil) and the into a Tupperware.

I don't think that most of the inyectable DMT is synthesised since it is not easy at all, most of the chemicals in the synthesis I hace read give poor yields and it is because it is quite a Pain. I think in todays society there is no such thing as what i am describing here, most of the DMT comes either from very básic and poor homelabs or from the jungle in which sanitary protocols only exist in the cinema. This TEK wants to offer an alternative to making DMT in an inyectable grade.

I perfectly know my lab skills were not quite proven here, I mean I used an old box to do it in. The best would be to use a fume hood with an exauhst to a clean place, but I could not put it in place. Aswell using proper protection like a gas mask and lab suit. However, this is just me getting in hold of some mimosa and not knowing well what to do with it, so I just experimented a bit with it and I think it came out very good for being my first guess!!

I am not assuming that this TEK is a perfecto clean procedure, not even good. This are just some lab notes I want to share, of course the procedure might have lots of downsides so I want to know them before giving a final refined tek.

You talk of using GMP and GLP techniques which I often try to carry out, but this an exception. I plan on making another extraction with better GMP and more notes, that is why i am posting it.

In a nutshell, please leave a comment on how I could make it Even cleaner to gain a way in which is viable to extract it for this porpuse, that would be awesome and would contribuye yo my work.
 
 
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