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I wonder if theis process could also be applied to 5-ht? Jeeze, some one has to test all of these someday. I haven't heard reports on many, if any 4-ho, 4-po tryptamines other than psilocin and psyclobin (sp's?) By allowing this message to pass through your cornea, into your retina, you accept it as is and agree to my disclaimer regarding my posts that they are a complete falsification by doing so freeing me of all liability, direct, indirect, consequential or incidental that may arise from the instillation of this post in your memory bank.
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some varieties (i.e. panaeolus) actually produce 5HT but there would be no point in adding it to psilocybe substrate; 4,5-dihydroxy-dmt probably isn't active, and psilocybe enzymes won't stop at bufotenine. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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DMT is good for expanding mushroom or LSD trips. I prefer smokin DMT 2-3 hours before droppings acid or eating mushrooms. works untill the next day i guess....  very intense CEVs i experienced
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Does anyone have this paper available? Gartz demonstrates that P. cubensis produced high amounts of 4-HO-DET and minor amounts of 4-PO-DET from adding N,N-diethyl-tryptamine to the mycelial culture.
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yeah, but what good is an experiment when no one is able repeat it? same with his other paper, adding tryptamine to substrate. interesting papers, but still inconclusive. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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Great, thank you! No one is able to repeat it, you say? Are we sure that these repetitions are done under the exact same conditions and the exact same way as Gartz? Do you by any chance have any paper available where there is attempted to repeat the experiment?
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i've searched for such papers, but have yet to find one. and the folks over at the shroomery who speak of doing the experiments themselves never report any results. genetics is always a factor in these experiments, as are the growth parameters. some strains may have better expression of certain enzymes than others; thus, concentration of solutions would need to be adjusted accordingly. conc. is obviously very important as well "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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Fuego wrote:whats the deal with this stuff... good information is hard to come by, and i havnt found any solid reports of people trying this. any information would be apreciated.
think for every hit of dmt you have having two trips of shrooms (50mg dmt --> 25mg psilocybin/psilocin X 2) i would say thats pretty fantastic, dont you agree? i have tried my hand at this before with much success... BUT the dmt must be in the substrate from the very beginning or your precious dmt will be wasted. i dissolved the dmt freebase in everclear and soaked it all up in a pf cake. casing methods with dmt in the substrate was less successful for me. i sterilized the cakes in a pot of boiling water careful to kill germs, but not kill dmt. 1.5g was ridiculous. edit---also check this out: http://www.shroomery.org...he-Potency-of-P-Cubensis"I'm creeping back to life, my nervous system all awry, I'm wearing the inside out. Look at him now, he's paler somehow, but he's coming round. He's starting to choke It's been so long since he spoke, well he can have the words right from my mouth. And with these words I can see, clear through the clouds that covered me, Just give it time then speak my name. now we can hear ourselves again" Pink Floyd- Wearing the Inside Out
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Let me see if I understand what you are saying. You took DMT freebase and dissolved it in alcohol then let your PF cake absorb the DMT laden alcohol? I've spilt a bit of alcohol on both a cake and a casing before and neither of them ended up very well. The mycelium died wherever the alcohol hit it. Dunno, I'm glad it worked for you, but I think it would end up killing the cakes. Wouldn't it just be easier to convert to a salt, neutralize, and let the cake soak up the neutral pH water? The Spice extends life
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You are putting alcohol on mycelium?! Isnt alcohol used to kill microorganisms? Hmmmm βThe most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.β -Nikolai Lenin
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Maybe he ment that he soaked the substrate before adding the spores, ensuring that the alcohol was evaporated when the mycellium growth began?
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Jeah ... he must have added the Ethanole before sterilizing , and even before moistening the substrate with water. Alcohol kills the mushroom -small Amounts cause Mutant Shrooms . Had he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being,
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What would you assume to be the best way to go about conducting an experiment on this? SWIM was thinking of inoculating a few jar with some DMT fumarate, do you think this would work? Should he instead try the alcohol soak method? He might try both. He was gunna use some pure white spice, but he also considered trying one with some jungle. How many mgs do you think would be needed to add to the substrate and what would be the best method of adding the spice? Step forward into your cave. That's right. You're going deeper into your cave. And you're going to find, your power animal...
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mattritt wrote:What would you assume to be the best way to go about conducting an experiment on this? SWIM was thinking of inoculating a few jar with some DMT fumarate, do you think this would work? Should he instead try the alcohol soak method? He might try both. He was gunna use some pure white spice, but he also considered trying one with some jungle. How many mgs do you think would be needed to add to the substrate and what would be the best method of adding the spice? Well DMT fumarate is soluable in water, so you could just add some to the water you use when making up the substrate. How much I don't really have a good feel for. Maybe try several different amounts ranging from 0.01 to 1% by weight of the water? elphologist
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Sorry to bring up old topic, but just found this: Quote:However there is a very interesting study that took place in Leipzig about 15 years ago. Jochen Gartz, a mushroom explorer whom I know quite well, has done some fascinating studies with Psilocybe species by raising them on solid media containing strange tryptamines that are alien to the mushroom. Apparently the enzymes that are responsible for the 4-hydroxy group of psilocin are indifferent to what it is they choose to 4-hydroxylate. He has taken things like DPT or DIPT and put them in the growth media and the fruiting bodies that came out contain 4-hydroxy-DPT or 4-hydroxy-DIPT instead of psilocin. In fact, he has a patent on the process. These active compounds are made by the mushroom so they really are natural and yet they never have been observed in nature. I'll give you even odds that if you put spores of a psilocybe species on cow droppings loaded with 5-MeO-DMT you would come out with mushrooms containing 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT. This way you avoid a 10 step synthesis by growing a psychoactive mushroom that contains no illegal drug.
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Another approach would be a simple Limetek; and then after pulling with D-limo, salt with vinegar, and use that solution to hydrate the perlite component of a PF tech.:idea:
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plumsmooth wrote:Another approach would be a simple Limetek; and then after pulling with D-limo, salt with vinegar, and use that solution to hydrate the perlite component of a PF tech.:idea: ....*vermiculite component And this might make the substrate more acidic...? We usually want to make it slightly basic if anything, so that nasty growths are discouraged and our intended cultures can still grow. "Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only one lotus."
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exactly this is the reason people add lime to their casing, to make it slightly basic to ward off contaminants. the best addition to a substrate would probably be NMT rather than DMT. the old Gartz paper showed greater turnover for NMT than the next best one, tryptamine. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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