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cnmts
#1 Posted : 6/6/2019 7:54:50 PM
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Swim is having a extremely difficult time having a breakthrough and cannot seem to figure out why and can only come to think it is due to the quality of the dmt. They do not believe their smoking method is the issue (dab rig), as well as trying many other methods. Swim uses a A/B tek to extract, acid boil with vinegar, then boiling to reduce volume, raising PH to base using lye, then pulling with heptane. Swim believes that maybe they are not pulling out all the alkaloids needed to add to the experience? Product typically comes out a nice fluffy white with a tinge of yellow. Any help would be extremely appreciated as swim just cannot figure out how to move forward from this.
 

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#2 Posted : 6/6/2019 8:36:02 PM

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Independantly from your extraction tek (that have much to do with yield & purity) how much spice did you weighted for your journey to BT ?
breaktrough have most to do with your ROA, dosage, & purity.
With a good ROA and some experience, breaktrough dose are in the 25/30mg range (as stated by most members), for some (depending on your tolerance, corpulence) more spice is needed.
What's your ROA ?
 
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#3 Posted : 6/6/2019 10:20:37 PM
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Swim uses about a 40-50mg dose in a dab rig with heated nail. They have tried varying times to let the nail cool down from 60-120 seconds to see if temperature was the problem but still no avail. Swim has had one breakthrough experience before but this was many years ago. Now all they see are geometric patterns (eye-opened) and alot of body euphoria. Have tried many ways of ROA including glass pipe, different ways of vaporization, cartridges, but dab rig is still the best way in Swim's opinion. Will try and post a picture of dmt extracted asap
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#4 Posted : 6/6/2019 11:46:49 PM
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cnmts wrote:
Swim uses about a 40-50mg dose in a dab rig with heated nail. They have tried varying times to let the nail cool down from 60-120 seconds to see if temperature was the problem but still no avail. Swim has had one breakthrough experience before but this was many years ago. Now all they see are geometric patterns (eye-opened) and alot of body euphoria. Have tried many ways of ROA including glass pipe, different ways of vaporization, cartridges, but dab rig is still the best way in Swim's opinion. Will try and post a picture of dmt extracted asap


In SWIM's opinion its definitely not the spice. SWIM thinks your friend needs more. Tell then a 0.07 is what a bird recommends. But SWIM agrees the dab rig is the most efficient and least wasteful. SWIM suggests ordering a laser thermometer to know exactly when the time to drop it on is right. It's going to be a huge pull... but its what's needed to get you where you want to go SWIM believes. Just try and make sure your friend clears every last bit of smoke. Best of luck to you. Look forward to hearing if this works.
 
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#5 Posted : 6/7/2019 11:31:24 AM

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You didn't say what plant you are extracting from, I will assume MHRB.

Here are a few links from the FAQ which might help... It's a quite common issue that people have, having light effects. I haven't tried dabbing but I'd suggest looking into a convection-based vaporizer like the GVG or Green Buddha instead of conduction-based like the dab rig:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...er_colors_of_DMT_bad.3F

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m..._best_smoking_method.3F

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...zz_only.2C_what_to_do.3F
 
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#6 Posted : 6/7/2019 8:44:51 PM
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Crazylegsmagoo wrote:
cnmts wrote:
Swim uses about a 40-50mg dose in a dab rig with heated nail. They have tried varying times to let the nail cool down from 60-120 seconds to see if temperature was the problem but still no avail. Swim has had one breakthrough experience before but this was many years ago. Now all they see are geometric patterns (eye-opened) and alot of body euphoria. Have tried many ways of ROA including glass pipe, different ways of vaporization, cartridges, but dab rig is still the best way in Swim's opinion. Will try and post a picture of dmt extracted asap


In SWIM's opinion its definitely not the spice. SWIM thinks your friend needs more. Tell then a 0.07 is what a bird recommends. But SWIM agrees the dab rig is the most efficient and least wasteful. SWIM suggests ordering a laser thermometer to know exactly when the time to drop it on is right. It's going to be a huge pull... but its what's needed to get you where you want to go SWIM believes. Just try and make sure your friend clears every last bit of smoke. Best of luck to you. Look forward to hearing if this works.


Swim will definitely try a larger dose and report back!
 
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#7 Posted : 6/7/2019 8:48:57 PM
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[quote=endlessness]You didn't say what plant you are extracting from, I will assume MHRB.

Here are a few links from the FAQ which might help... It's a quite common issue that people have, having light effects. I haven't tried dabbing but I'd suggest looking into a convection-based vaporizer like the GVG or Green Buddha instead of conduction-based like the dab rig:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...er_colors_of_DMT_bad.3F

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m..._best_smoking_method.3F

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...z_only.2C_what_to_do.3F[/quote]

Yes, swim is definitely using mhrb sourced from a distributor in the Netherlands. Swim has taken a look at GVG and will have to place an order soon if no other solutions work. Other then ROA concerns, do you believe the spice is what it should be as of quality from tek/pictures?
 
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#8 Posted : 6/7/2019 10:49:52 PM

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Hey friend,

Please don't talk about sourcing, as written in the attitude page.

Regarding whether your DMT looks good or not, that first link I posted is exactly about that question Smile

Be well
 
 
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