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Arkano
#1 Posted : 5/20/2019 4:30:44 PM

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changa and fainting

long ago fumani with friends a changa of hostilis and peganum, all went well for a couple of smoke shots.

Wonderful physical electric sensations, feeling of being very distant and being the universe itself, infinite peace.

Every 10 minutes, when the effects were going down, we recharged the pipe with changa, also adding seeds of peganum harmala to prolong the effects of the journey.

Everything went well until the third session, everything was magnificent and I, as always, thought I had mastered the experience and was able to manage myself. Mentally I was elsewhere, but at the same time it was enough for me to open my eyes to return to my state of ordinary reality.
However, after the third pipe refill, the effects suddenly went up in a violent and absolutely unexpected way, I felt really cold and tried to get under the covers to get heat, but I was struggling to get in because of the presence of my close friend to me who didn't want to move. I was afraid of the rapidity of the effects and now I felt the urgent need to go to the bathroom to urinate, the bladder seemed to explode (I had already been 2-3 times to urinate before and I had probably exhausted many sugars and minerals from my body ... .) In those conditions it was impossible to go to the bathroom, the visual effects were a thousand and I was totally dissociated from my body, so I asked God help to let that pain and anguish pass.

From that moment on I find myself woken up by my friends and I still felt very far with my mind. They told me that I had fainted, that I was cold and my muscles were stiff, I had my eyes up and I had convulsions (inside me I still thought I was traveling! In that state my visuals continued ... )

My friend, to get me back quickly, said to me: "Your mother is going up to the room" and I, who already had a full bladder, urinated on myself and I felt good at last.

It took another 20 minutes to return to everyday reality, but I don't understand why the trip that day took that ugly turn, 2 hours before I had only eaten white pasta with olive oil, and I didn't take lyrica () pregabalin) for at least 2 days before.

What could have caused my collapse? Too much peganum?

Was my body dehydrated because of my previous urination?

Or was lyrica still in the body? (I take 25mg a day, minimum dosage !!)
 

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Arkano
#2 Posted : 5/20/2019 4:34:52 PM

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a few minutes before passing out my whole body was on fire (perhaps because of fear?) as well as a full bladder I felt the air swell up on my belly and I also felt the need to defecate, but in the end I just urinated on myself and on the bed. ..

Later that evening I vomited after drinking water, I was totally dehydrated after the experience .... after vomiting I felt better and went to sleep, but I want this to not happen again and I do not want to give up my trip, I have still much to learn. Sick
 
TexasTrichocereus
#3 Posted : 5/20/2019 6:17:17 PM

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Wow. Glad you are ok. I’ve never had that happen to me.

Love your avatar picture of the shaman and Culebra Brugmansia aka Methysticodendron amesianum by the great Richard Evan Schultes. It’s one of my favorite pictures in his books and one of my favorite plants in the garden.
 
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#4 Posted : 5/20/2019 6:53:54 PM

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It seems like you fumani too much. I have been there too! Try obtaining (you can extract from the seeds) pure harmalas as smoalking the seeds generally makes for a much harsher smoke and is able to incite sickness easier (at least for most people) and frankly makes for a much less efficient changa. The efficiency of the technique and tools makes for the purity of the experience. Also I imagine you are smoalking pure dmt from hostilis and not powdered hostilis root bark of course, right? xD I imagine so.
Glad your feeling OK nowSmile
Weither your body is properly hydrated depends more on how well you are drinking water throughout the day (not sodas or anything else either xD) so peeing a few times wont dehydrate you.
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What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving See the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
Arkano
#5 Posted : 5/20/2019 7:16:21 PM

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yes of course, also because only bark would have been useless, it would take a lot of it! The seeds had been ground with coffee grinders, excellent combustion, the previous times no problem, but this time we had abounded with the peganum in the mixture ... did you say that you stumbled too with similar side effects ?! It tells
 
Arkano
#6 Posted : 5/20/2019 7:17:17 PM

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TexasTrichocereus wrote:
Wow. Glad you are ok. I’ve never had that happen to me.

Love your avatar picture of the shaman and Culebra Brugmansia aka Methysticodendron amesianum by the great Richard Evan Schultes. It’s one of my favorite pictures in his books and one of my favorite plants in the garden.



thank you Rolling eyes
 
FranLover
#7 Posted : 5/20/2019 11:47:58 PM

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Arkano wrote:
yes of course, also because only bark would have been useless, it would take a lot of it! The seeds had been ground with coffee grinders, excellent combustion, the previous times no problem, but this time we had abounded with the peganum in the mixture ... did you say that you stumbled too with similar side effects ?! It tells


Yes it would have been very useless indeed xD I have not smoked grinded seeds and am speaking from what Ive read on the matter of smoking rue seeds. What I meant with Ive been there too is smoking so much that everything goes out the window...u can faint or anything, absolutley anything could happen if u smoke too much bowls of strong stuff.
Todo lo que quiero es que me recuerdes siempre así...amándote. Mantay kuna kayadidididi~~Ayahuasca shamudididi. Silence ○ Shiva ◇ eternal Purusha.
What we have done is establish the rule of authority in silence. Silence is the administrator of the universe. In silence is the script of Natural Law, eternally guiding the destiny of everyone. The Joy of Giving See the job. Do the job. Stay out of the misery.
May this world be established with a sense of well-being and happiness. May all beings in all worlds be blessed with peace, contentment, and freedom.
This mass of stress visible in the here & now has sensuality for its reason, sensuality for its source, sensuality for its cause, the reason being simply sensuality.
 
 
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