I've experienced ayahuasca fairly deeply and had one particular experience which was basically a breakthrough but most of my ayahuasca experiences aren't as visionary as changa. In that experience the visions engulfed me and I forgot where I was, it was just the amazing patterns, at some point I blanked out, when I came to I was surrounded by beings who were putting me back together again and I slowly returned back to my body. The messages I received upon returning where more important for me though. In actuality though I likely would've been gone like that for anywhere between 5-15 minutes after that it reduced down to subbreakthrough where I normally am during ayahuasca spaces, aware of the room but also throughly deep in the experience too.

The visions are a part of the experience but they're not why I drink. Your experience reflects mine, I get a huge amount more from drinking ayahuasca than smoking changa and even moreso straight dmt. Much more insight and a personal relationship with Ayahuasca is worth 100 breakthrough experiences where I see the most amazing things but am left feeling like, what did that all mean.

Because of all the different admixtures and ingredients, ayahuasca can be almost anything you want it to be. It can be as deep as smoked DMT, but it can also be as recreational as LSD. If you make your own brews and are willing to experiment a little you will discover how incredibly broad the spectrum of ayahuasca experiences can be.

Just want to say... The title of this thread reminded me of a time I smoked dmt. As I was coming out this side of hyperspace I said something to the effect of "Wow, how deep does it go?" I was answered, " All the way. Deeper than you can imagine. Further than you would ever dare go. And that was just one lungfull. Imagine two or three. Imagine, and then bring it on! "

Recreational, really? What kind of dose for something like this? I’m curious about introducing a friend to psychedelia. Something I can sit with them without both of us purging constantly would be of interest to me.

Of all the DMT admixtures, chacruna is by far the mildest one. Mimosa and chaliponga are definately more challenging, physically. Chaliponga is the most challenging source of the lot. It very easily causes deep, overwhelming experiences. ACRB is more friendly than mimosa on a physical level, but mentally it can be pretty overwhelming as well.

Interesting. I've heard ACRB is the most forgiving of them all (mentally).
My most challenging experience have been with Chaliponga. But not all Chaliponga is like that.

Physically I don't experience any discomfort from any of these plants really.

Modern day researchers, spearheaded by people such as myself, have realized that Jonathan Ott's calculations fall short of what most explorers need for a truly visionary experience. Even with a strong harmine/Banisteriopsis caapi dosage, 30-60mg of dmt is not sufficient to produce significant visionary effects in most people. So if fact, a dosage of 30-40mg of dmt is where tryptamine-like effects just begin to occur for most people, and 10-25mg dmt is not really noticeable above the gentle psychoactive effects of the harmine.

Each person is different and for some rare individuals, 30-40mg may be about as much dmt as they wish to take--but most people need at least 60-80mg for sufficient psychoactive effects and even at this dosage, you generally cannot expect a full-blown visionary experience, even when using a strong dose of 4 grams of syrian rue or 100 grams of strong caapi vine. Also, it should be pointed out that going beyond 4 grams of syrian rue (around 200-280mg of harmaline) or 100 grams of strong caapi vine (150--250mg of harmine) can increase the negative effects of these beta-carbolines--which include a feeling of heaviness, pressure in the head, inability to walk properly, more purging and perhaps more of an emphasis on bodily processes.

An oral dosage of 100mg of dmt is where the visionary qualities really begin to occur, for most people say when they are taking 3 grams of syrian rue or 80 grams of strong vine, and in context, 40-60 grams of strong vine is enough to fully mao inhibit most people.

I would say to neophyte explorers to tread carefully, and to slowly increase your dmt dosage in increments: perhaps starting at 60mg, going to 100mg, then 150mg. Some people are going to find 100mg of dmt to be exceedingly strong, and it will perhaps give them an experience they did not feel ready for.

It came to my attention after an embarrassing number of years, that taking freebase crystal DMT orally was not as potent, colourful, or clear as taking the equivalent amount of DMT in a tea that was brewed from the plant. For many years, I couldn't see how there could be a difference, but after doing some comparisons, it was obvious that the tea (example: hawaiian psychotria) was much better, and the experiences resulting from the crystalline extract were inferior.

You could take twice or even three times as much DMT crystal as the equivalent in brew, and the experience from the crystal would never be as bright or full as that from the tea. Why could this be?

With extracted dmt, with chemicals used it would appear that some dimensions and qualities of the tryptamine molecules are compromised. Also, there is the factor of isolating the alkaloids from the rest of the plant. For example, there are very few people who say that extracted pure mescaline from the cactus is as potent of full bodied compared to when they take the tea made from the cactus flesh.

When making a tea from the whole plant, you are extracting the essence of the plant intelligence from its very flesh, not just isolating the alkaloids. In the alchemic method "Spagyrics" developed by Paracelsus, often considered the father of modern medicine, the ashes of the plant are commonly burnt and then blended back into an alcohol-extracted tincture. Friends who have experimented with this procedure report that a Spagyric tincture of Ayahuasca is much more potent than a normal tea prepared from the same amount of Ayahuasca vine.

The best part, is that dreaming Ayahuasca, the brain actually grows tens of thousands of new neurons. Articles all over the web about this, in the Journal Nature for example, with photos of the new neurons being created. It is speculated to improve emotional intelligence for one thing.

Substances like Ayahuasca, LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, etc. have been show in studies to activate the right side of the brain--the part involved with creativity, euphoria, visualization, empathy. They seriously light up that side of the brain like a neon light.

The world is moving in the direction of the Left Brain: technology and science. What the world needs is to move in the direction of Right Brain development: empathy, spirituality, connectedness. Compounds like Caapi could be said to improve emotional intelligence. Is this caapi a smart-nutrient for the right side of the brain? you be the judge. I certainly think it is.

Ayahuasca with caapi is also an entheogen you can dream and feel even better the next day after you take it, often for several days, as the mood lift from the caapi is long-lasting, Terence Mckenna talked about this in the book "Archaic Revival". I agree with his statement as well. You feel better than if you had not taking anything at all.