Hello! First post here. Im from australia! Havent tried dmt before, but have had many shroom trips and a couple lsd trips.
Been here researching for a while and trying to grasp the basics. Thanks to everyone on this forum my friend has found enough info to try a first and second extraction.

I dont know if ive got any questions yet, just thought id make a post about whats happened so far and if i think of any questions ill leave them at the end. Hopefully anyone else searching for answers might find something here, especially coz its acacia confusa, turned out to be more involved than i first thought.

First extraction of acrb was a stb, with a hot water bath the whole time. The shellite was very yellow and when freeze precipitated i ended up with alot of what i believe to be fats, no visible crystals. I scarped it up and tryed dry it a bit more but it was still sticky and gooey.

I put that goo in a tiny bit of hot shellite and mixed then poured off and put in freezer. Ended up with slighlty less sticky goo and smaller amount. Ive still got it and might try making changa out of.

Second extraction. Did some more research and decided to do a acid to base, with a salting and defatting stage. The thing i found was that many people said acacia has more fats so i went for a more involved method. sort of a mix between different methods.

300 ml water
60 ml vinegar
50 grams acrb

mixed and let sit for an hour no water bath used during whole extraction as i read heat may pull more fats, but also less yeild, however my theory was thats ok as long as i dont get those fats!

30 grams non iodised salt
100ml water

boiled that to dissolve then put in acrb mix, mixed and let sit for another hour. Agian, no heat bath.

50 ml shellite
then another 50ml shellite

Used the shellite here to defat, hoping that the dmt was in a salt form so was insoluable in the shellite. People say to recrystalize after instead of doing a defat stage, but i was determined to remove as much of the fats as possible beforehand, because of the previous extraction.

60ml caustic soda
200ml water

added that to the mixture, mixed it, and let that sit.

50ml shellite

Mixed it and let it sit about 5 times, still no water bath however the mixture was warm the whole time from the caustic soda reaction.

Now pulled the shellite off into a glass container for freeze precip. Compared to the first extraction this time the shellite was less yellow, just slightly yellow, and as soon as i put it into the dish it went milky white.

did another pull into another container a while later and put that into freezer.

pulled them both out after about 4 hours, and drained shellite of into a glass jar for keeping and put that jar into the freezer. put both precip containers in front of a fan straight away tilted on the side.

This time i got crystals!! but only a two smalls ones in each container, also the fats are very minimal! mainly just a thin ring around the container at the level were the solvent was. and the base of each container has a very thin layer of sticky film that is clear not yellow, infact there is no yellow on anything this time! but it looks easy to grab the small crystals, and i will scrape the thin film and keep it seperate.

a very small yeild though.

however, the container i used to keep the poured off shellite, i kept in the freezer, has way more crystals growing in it! i guess i should have been less impatient and left the others in the freezer for longer! the shellite is clear and the crystals are white! but its not a container conducive to easy scraping lol.

i have a third pull to do but i have the mixture in a hot water bath now to see the difference, i will post what happens with this pull.

all the stuff i have dryed right now smells like what people describe, so im guessing its dmt i hope 🤞

anyways i have pics ill try to post them if i can.

sorry this was a long post

I guess what i could theorize about all this is (this is all a guess obviously i have no real clue what im doing at all in the slightest) that acacia probly needs a defat stage i think taht helps alot. Also i think the salting stage helps to pull more dmt because the first extraction had no crystals at all and it was in a hot water bath the whole time, and i left it in the freezer for 24 hours. and that maybe the shellite or naptha can have dmt in it and not be yellow, or just slightly yellow.

Anyway i guess i dont have any questions for now i just thought id post my journey and hopefully it helps someone. If anyone has a tip let me know. im gonna try hot water baths next time and keep the acid and salting and defatting stages, see how that goes.

and thanks again to everyone on this forum

Once i try it out ill let you know how it goes, working up the courage at the moment, havent tripped in years and never on dmt so i have to admit its a little scary, when im feeling the right mood ill go for it.

once i get the shellite jar with crystals out and dry that ill post pics, its got more crystals than those two pics, also ill post pics of the third pull tats in a water bath at the moment

the crystals were way too small to scrape up so i scraped them up with all the translucent goo, instead of opaque yellow this time it looks like honey, hopefully i can just get the crystals out of the shellite storage jar without goo.

edit, about to to try the honey looking stuff, just a little, problem is with this goo i cant really wiegh it properly so ive just put a tiny smidge in a bong btween two layers of tobacco like a sandwich, farout wish me luck.

Farout! this stuff is hectic! i did two slow careful pulls without directly heating the stuff, and i only took two small hits to get a feel for it you know dip my toes in, and i had to write this because i can tell how potent this stuff is, seriously! its amazing! i didnt have anywhere near enough to even get close to anything of what people describe but it felt like i took two tiny tiny tokes and was almost instantly in the middle of a mushroom trip! are you serious? i cant believe it. it was pretty overwhelming just that littl bit i cant imagine what happens if you take more. i guess ill slowly work my way up. and it ended in like 2 mins, i guess coz i only had the smallest amount. but i was me the whole time and when it was over i was fine.

ok heres some pics of the crystals, they look good i think! the second image is the one from the hot water bath, its a thin yellow film, so i guess it might be better to stay away from hot water baths? i have no clue really but at least i can look back on this thread in the future to remember what i learned.

Ok so ive smoked the yellow goo a few times now, just a little each time and im pretty sure its dmt. Im a little anxious about trying the crystals but thought id post a pic of them coz they are really nice looking and i think im pretty lucky to have maneged to get them this good.

This time i have a couple questions i think.

So the way i got crystals from the acacia confusa is, i did the pulls and got them out of the freezer after only a few hours, and poured the shellite off into another container. Then dried the pull container and it was just a layer of honey stuff that i scarped up. but the container that i poured off the shellite into grew the crystals without any gooey layer.

So my first question is: Do the crystals need to adhere directly onto the glass? Like was the gooey stuff that makes a film stopping the crystals from starting to grow coz they couldnt attach themselves to the glass?

And if so then maybe taking the container out after only a few hours after it had made that film layer and pouring the shellite into another dish was a kinda defatting stage?

Ill leave it at that for now but i have more questions just dont wanna over do it in one go.

Nice Crystals, good job!

So to say something to your writings:



Only put the Naphtha / Shellite out of the freezer if its not cloudy anymore. 2 h may be too less, but 5 h is surely good to go. But still: Always check if its cloudy, if yes leave it longer freezing =)

If shellite is the same as 60/80 Naphtha (numbers = boiling range in °C), which is C6/C7 Hydrocarbons meaning Hexane/Heptane isomers, then the following should apply:

100 ml still contain at - 20 °C roughly ~ 130 mg Spice. Therefore if you have 500 ml Shellite and freeze precipitate it, you will still ahve 130 * 5 mg left in the shellite. This could be evaporated down to 100 ml and freeze precipped again. But always freeze precip your stuff, no full evap, otherwise its more impure!

So as I understand correctly:

You froze the shellite and decanted the liquid. Inside the container were crystals, so you were left with the decanted liquid and the dry container with crystals. The decanted liquid was fully evaporated and THIS left the honey goo.

Then this is exactly what I say: If you freeze precipitate it, then it will be much more pure AKA crystal grow.

SOME Spice will still be left inside the Shellite TOGETHER with other crap. By evaporating this all, you also get the leftover Spice, but also polluted with unwanted stuff. This stuff is yellow and oily and therefore you got honeylike oil, which is still active as it contains some remaining spice, but still maybe only like 50 % spice and 50 % other crap. Your white crystals look like 98 %+ purity Spice =)




You dont need to "make" the crystals adhere to the glass. If you put the Shellite into the freezer and it cools down, they will automatically grow on the walls. If you WOULD shake your container all the time meanwhile they will not stick to the glass, but still grow. Of course you will not shake the container, it is in the freezer, but keeping it mostly unmoved is good as crystals that adhere at the container will not flow off when pouring out the Shellite.

Then you ask why the second sample is yellow goo that did not form crystals if I get you correctly.
So again you FORCED the unwanted crap to precipitate along with the remaining Spice. Therefore it is the yellow goo. What you could have done would be:

1. Freeze precipitation as you did

2. Decant off and REDUCE it to maybe 50 ml

3. Place this in the freezer

The remaining Spice should again form crystals. But the yellowish oily mess will stay inside the Shellite. You could also reduce it more to 10 ml, depends how big your whole spice content was. But the more you reduce it, the more likely there will be the yellow oily stuff inside your crystals. But dont worry, if you dont come anywhere near 5 ml or less you should still be left with nice crystals.


So what I recommend NOW is:

Take that oily mess and dissolve it in like 10 ml of Shellite. If it does not fully dissolve even when heated to 50 °C and stirred, add 5 ml more Shellite.

Now place this inside your freezer. This should get nearly all of the remaining Spice out of it in form of crystals. The rest can be tossed away or also evaporated to smoke, but it will be nearly not active as 99% of the spice will be out.

As you dont have a big extraction, this may not even be worth it, but you can try it and see how much crystals you can get from it.

Good luck!

Post more questions I can answer them

Thank you very much for the very detailed response!

Im still trying to comprehend what youve said and ill post later on to see if ive got you right.

btw as an update, i just pushed myself a bit further smoking a bit more of the yellow goo as ive become a little more comfortable with the feeling.

This time i smoked more and started seeing colors and patterns, omg! and i wasnt as nervous or anxious the whole time and was enjoying it! was pretty intense!

Im trying to be responisble with this and going slow but it is very interesting.

This stuff should not be illegal it should be studied more i cant believe it.

Hi again,i think i know what you mean, that when you do a pull there is a max amount roughly of spice the solvent will hold, but it can be evapped to a higher concentration before freezing that makes sense i think. thanks

Also i think you got me backwards on the decanting part:

The two pulls i did, i put in the freezer for a few hours, there were no crystals just gooey stuff.

So i poured off the shellite into another container it in the freezer and thats what i got the perfect white crystals from. Like the goey stuff precipitad first before any crystals did, and by decanting into another container and freezing again i had gotten rid of the goey stuff and was left with nice crystals.

So maybe thats a good idea?

Also i smoked a bit more than last time last night and it blew my head off! I saw so many colors and patterns and felt very weird. I was just at my computer and wasnt planning on going that far with it.
It was getting very intense and at first i was resisting because it wasnt my plan to go that far, but then i was like "well if its gonna happen id better go with it".

I breathed deeply a few times and i think i saw a light but i dont know what it was. It felt like it was getting closer but it wasnt really a light it was like nothingness? it was scary. But it didnt feel i would die if the nothingness took me over, more like i would still be here but everything else would be gone?

The whole thing was confusing this time and hard on me compared to my other small tries. Even after the first toke i could feel like maybe i wasnt in the right mood or setting, and it was almost like the dmt was saying "if you take another hit ill punish you for not respecting me".

But I took another big hit anyway!!

I didnt want to breakthrough in my office chair at the computer so i kept resisting in the end i didnt want that nothingness to get to me yet. I came down as was feeling relief.

I think i learned my lesson that i cant jut smoke this like pot whenever i want, i gotta be in the right place and mood because farout it doesnt take much to push just that little bit more.

Also ive been doing it every night for like 5 nights so i think ill take a break for a few days and do it in a proper environment and headspace.

Ah now I understand what you meant by decanting!

Yes sounds good, even though normally I would say crystals would form before any yellowish goo would precipitate, if at all - normally yellowish goo would rather stay in solution or not get pulled by Naphtha anyways.

But if this granted better crystals, then its a good idea. Still I havent heard that BEFORE crystals form, there was a goo precipitation.

Inside this goo could still be goodies. So you could dissolve it in hot Naphtha, normally the goo should not fully dissolve , then decant and also freeze precip. Maybe some crystals may come out of this. But use very tiny amounts of Naphtha, maybe only 10 - 50 ml, as the Spice amount will also be very little and as you know: 100 ml Naphtha still contain ~ 130 mg goodies at - 20 °C.


Yes it's a good idea to only smoke when you feel really relaxed and can let go nicely. But also it's not a bad idea to get some music played meanwhile, thats always a good thing to just listen to the music and relax. That could decrease some strange feeling about *oh no where am I going?*

Music with no vocals is better I think ... does not drag you back to your reality by making you trying to listen to the words subconciously.