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An easy way to remove toxins from a Yopo/Vilca extract!!! Options
 
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#61 Posted : 12/10/2009 7:41:09 AM
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Ron this makes me so happy!

I have been on a wild goosehunt for the proper proecedure for something like this and wam bam there it is Very happy.

Bufo is calling me. Once I find MEK.
 

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#62 Posted : 12/10/2009 8:41:24 AM

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Acetone and Naphtha work very well as a substitute for mek:heptane also.

A FASA precipitation is also effective for defatting these seeds also.
 
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#63 Posted : 12/10/2009 3:19:53 PM

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Soulfood, has SWIY found a ratio of acetone to naphtha that worked for SWIY? Also, are you saying that if one fasa's out they will be getting no fats from that? So they could skip defatting, do a fasa, then freebase, then purify with acetone:naphtha?

The only thing about defatting is that, 1 SWIM is low on money, and 2, he has nowhere to put the DCM afterwords that is a safe place for disposal.
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#64 Posted : 12/10/2009 3:35:23 PM

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I never figured out the exact ratio because I burned the hell out of my stuff when toasting, but on a small run I got some pretty pure stuff somewhere between 1:7 and 2:7.

These FASA thing works really well and it works even better when the solutions dilute enough that it doesn't look dark red. It's probably not as efficent as DCM defatting but I've had gotten bone dry results from FASA + 1 toasting. It wasn't oily or waxy at all, but that's also partially thanks to good seeds.
 
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#65 Posted : 12/10/2009 3:53:37 PM

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Yeah, SWIM got nice light red crystals from FASA but when he freebased it, it turned back to a goo. That is so annoying, why is that?

Anyway, SWIM is gonna do a few things today and I'll post his reports later.
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#66 Posted : 12/10/2009 3:56:14 PM

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damiana wrote:
Yeah, SWIM got nice light red crystals from FASA but when he freebased it, it turned back to a goo. That is so annoying, why is that?


Fumerates can be very misleading because they're a very stable salt. Like DMT N-oxide fumerate is a nice looking crystal, but freebase n-oxide is a gooey mess. Same for the toxins in yopo. I imagine pure bufotenine fumerate would make some pretty nice transparent crystals.
 
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69ron, you say bufotenine is insoluble in naphtha. So SWIM did a 1:6 acetone to naphtha extraction and boiled the acetone off to get a milky naphtha liquid. Shouldn't the bufo crash out of the naphtha since you say it's insoluble in it? Should SWIM put the milky naphtha in his fridge or freezer to find out? Or should SWIM let it evap. overnight? SWIY got a milky heptane when he did this, did SWIM let that evap. or did he find that it would crash out? Or is bufo soluble in heptane? Thanks.
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#68 Posted : 12/10/2009 8:14:34 PM

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hmm I need to get some acetone and attempt this..
In the meantime..will a naptha defat pull any extra oils/fats after the seeds are toasted?..i know it wont remove the toxins but I want to find a way to get a more solid yellow stuff from iso pulls to work with..
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#69 Posted : 12/10/2009 9:08:51 PM

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maybe you could shake the seeds in IPA before you base them. Though I'm not sure if bufotenine salts are insoluble in IPA or what.
 
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Im gunna play around a bit with my last few grams of seeds from maya, try to find some way to refine the iso tek and clean it up a bit more..I still have 114 grams of seeds from argentina I have yet to try...can't wait to compareVery happy
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#71 Posted : 12/10/2009 10:06:18 PM

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damiana wrote:
69ron, you say bufotenine is insoluble in naphtha. So SWIM did a 1:6 acetone to naphtha extraction and boiled the acetone off to get a milky naphtha liquid. Shouldn't the bufo crash out of the naphtha since you say it's insoluble in it? Should SWIM put the milky naphtha in his fridge or freezer to find out? Or should SWIM let it evap. overnight? SWIY got a milky heptane when he did this, did SWIM let that evap. or did he find that it would crash out? Or is bufo soluble in heptane? Thanks.


That looks good to me.

Bufotenine doesn’t crystallize very fast. It can take many hours to crystallize, even in the freezer. When you boil bufotenine in xylene it all dissolves. When it returns to room temperature, or even freezing temperatures, it just sort of stays as a milky white suspension for a while and then slowly crystallizes over several hours.

SWIM found freezing the xylene after boiling the bufotenine in it did not help speed up crystallization much at all. It’s likely to be the same with naphtha. You should let it sit for about 4 hours. Putting it in the freezer might help a little bit.
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#72 Posted : 1/9/2010 9:58:53 PM

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After reading through this thread im left feeling slightly overwhelmed.
I have access to naptha, MEK, DCM, d-limonene.
I also have about 20g of Yopo (not cebil seeds)

What is an ideal solvent mixture with the above solvents? How much in ml per mg of IPA extracted oil should a person use?
Id rather use limonene and naptha. DCM and MEK are avaiable online, although i want to avoid buying them there.

I was going to do the IPA extraction then wash with a mixture of the above solvents... decant of the liquid and evap out.

That right?
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#73 Posted : 1/17/2010 2:04:43 PM

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SWIM got some MEK, but has no heptane, is it true that naptha can be used in it's place? does anyone have a good idea of a test ratio??
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#74 Posted : 1/17/2010 2:36:08 PM

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you'll have to use a little less naphtha than you would heptane.
 
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I gave this a go on some IPA extracted goop. I did not weigh the goop, but it was from 100 g of cebil. I stirred in 100 ml of mek:heptane mix, and now have a black liquid. I filtered it a couple times through a couple coffee filters but it is still just a black liquid.

My guesses are that I may have grossly under-guessed the amount of goop that I had and used far too little solvent mix.... or that I need to filter many many more times. Maybe both?

I held on to what was left in the filters in case I didn't use enough solvent mix to get all the goods from the goop.

any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


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