First page of instructions says: "The ingredients shown are for a starting amount of 50-100g of bark but this tek can be used for any size of initial plant material. {note: Do not just double the ratios per ratio of bark}"

How would SWIM adjust the ratios for starting with, say...500g? SWIM has a Costco mentality. Toilet paper, snacks, DMT, etc. SWIM likes to do things in bulk so it's just once and done for a long time.

Just follow the instructions using the stated amount of bark. That way, if anything goes wrong you won't have used up all your bark.

With a bit of luck and some good bark you'll end up with 1 to 2 or even 4 grams of DMT - depending, of course, how much bark you use - and with the right vaporizing technique that's 25 to 120 decent doses, which is plenty to be getting on with.

Eh, alright. Better safe than sorry. I know that's a lot of doses. But I'd just like to make a shit ton so I know I'll have enough to last a long time whenever I feel like it. I just got my first taste of it, and I want a lot more.

Although your question is legitimate, note that discussion about large scale production is not allowed here (e.g. avoid asking how to process a kilo of bark since this is clearly an amount outside of personal use).

I use 500 mL water per 100 g of shredded and ground MHRB. I do first boiling in a pressure cooker for 30 minutes, then filter and repeat boil 3 more times with 500 mL of water although slightly less can be used.

You just have to make sure your bark is sufficiently covered with water and you do enough boilings so that most alkaloids are washed out.

You can always use more water since you can boil that off.

I do A/B extraction and with a good filtration, I have no problem reducing the amount of water to about 400 mL (per 100 g bark).

As for the salt amount, just keep the same w/v concentration as used in the Tek, for whatever amount of liquid you work.

You will find your optimal numbers by fiddling and experimentation, good luck.

Hi Blue Magic!
So i understand that you first make 3x water extraction from the powdered bark, filter it, and do an A/B to the water extracts only, discarding the rootbark powder?
It's not the procedure described in the tek...
Or you follow the TEK as described, but doing these boilings first, instead of the heath bath?
Thanks for your input.

So I dont really know this TEK, but maybe I can give an answer.

You say it is told to make 3x water extractions, meaning that you heat it up in acidic water / filter it / repeat for a total of 3x.

If you do it like this, then after 3x every regular bark will be depleted and you will have all goodies out of it.

So if the TEK is that way, you can completely discard your bark, because all the actives will be dissolved in the acidic cooking water.



Now you also talk about a first boiling instead of a heat bath. Sounds like you mean 2 different steps.

Normally I would understand that you want to ask if you should EITHER boil them for the acidic cook OR if you just should place them in a heat bath for the acidic cook.

But how do you mean *Boil before the heat bath*?

If it is this way that you want to know whether do a heat bath or directly boil them, I would say BOIL THEM ;D

Normally greater heat should speed up the extraction. I recommend a temperature of 75 - 85 °C.

But now I dont know what you mean when you really want to do 1 Boiling AND 1 heat bath.

Where should be the boiling and where the heat bath?



What is not described in the TEK is that you simply LEAVE the bark inside of your acidic soup. It simply tells you not to separate them and just proceed as if there bark would not be there.

Actually ... I think this very strange, there is simply no need to leave the bark in. After 3x the bark will be definetly empty, if you heated it up to 75°C+ and did each cook for at least 30 minutes or maybe even 60.

I always remove the bark ... what you dont need should be removed ... so ... but it seems that the TEK still works this way, you can decide what you want to do on your own.





PS: Maybe I can think of the reason why the bark should stay in. Inside the bark there is still some little amount of water, if you separate both. You will never be able so squeeze 100 % of water out of the bark. Especially when using powdered bark. At least for SHREDDED bark you will always have 50 ml of water inside of 100 g bark left, even when squeezing pretty hard. So maybe the TEK is to also recover this last bit, but actually I still remove the bark and get practically maxed yield.

Thanks for your answer Mr. Wasser.
Actually i was confused about Blue Magic's post, not about the tek.

I did the Max Ion Tek, wich is supposed to give the best yield, i had very good yields in the past with it, above 2% for a good brazilian bark.

This time i got a very low yield (same bark), around 0,5%. I think the problem might have been not having my pH meter, and working with 100g of root bark instead of 50g as usual. Maybe the pH wasn't high enough at the basifying step, or acidic enough at the acid step.
I think i'll add more base and make another few pulls with solvent to see if something else comes up.

By the way, your idea of making 3x acid extraction, then good filtering, might be good to speed up the separation of phases later before pulling.

thanks!