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Does anyone know if this is valid or not? It was from Barons trip report. He claims Johnathan Ott's Method is poor compared to this. I did some editing just for forums sake. Quote:
So I played around quite a bit and finally invented my own very extraction technique. Here’s how it’s done.
1. Boil the powdered beans in water made pH 3 with hydrochloric acid for about an hour, and then filter out the beans. Repeat 2 more times with new water(also made pH 3 with hydrochloric acid).
(Couldn't we use vinegar/%5 Acetic Acid instead? No water addition really needed?)
2. Concentrate the combined water extracts down and evaporate to leave some solid brownish gunk.
(oven at 300 deg?)
3. Weigh this gunk and measure out an equal portion of calcium hydroxide.
4. Dissolve the gunk in a small amount of 99% isopropyl alcohol, just enough to make it a thick syrupy liquid, then add an equal portion of water, then mix in the calcium hydroxide.
(Couldn't we just use 50% IPA/50% H20 instead of fiddling with 99$ IPA and adding h20?)
Mix it very well. You don’t want any clumps. It should be the consistency of thick pea soup. Let it sit for about 6 hours for the calcium hydroxide to react with the bufotenine, creating the basic salt calcium-bufotenate(?).
5. Now evaporate it (you can use an oven at 300 F for this step).
6. Once it’s evaporated completely add a generous portion of acetone. Mix it well. The acetone won’t dissolve any of the calcium hydroxide, or much else, but will easily dissolve the basic bufotenine. Let it sit an hour or more for the non-soluble particles to sink to the bottom.
7. Once the acetone takes on a clear dark amber color, pour your mix through a filter to obtain the acetone.
8. Repeat the acetone extraction with new acetone a few more times until its clear.
9. Evaporate the combined acetone to get an extremely potent extract that is nearly 90% pure calcium bufotenine..
It is very similar to Fractal Enchantment's tek, with a few slight differences. The acid wash being one, and the acetone pulls being another. He's claiming 90% purity, and this makes me very curious.
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Replace HCl with acetic acid definitely sounds like a better safer way to do the acid extraction. Boiling high amounts of liquid with HCl is dangerous and a good way to burn out your eyeballs and inhale toxic gases. Quote:Mix it very well. You don’t want any clumps. It should be the consistency of thick pea soup. Let it sit for about 6 hours for the calcium hydroxide to react with the bufotenine, creating the basic salt calcium-bufotenate(?). I think this is BS. No one proves this happens. Either way freebase the stuff is essential but not too high pH (no more then 10 from what others have said on the forum). Although pH has no meaning in alcohol based solutions so one can't really tell what the pH is. I dunno about the other purification steps with IPA or acetone but I am skeptical of anyone who claims to know what a chemical is with no proof.
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That tek isn't very good.
There's no adequate defatting step or even toasting involved, forget the fact about this yielding 90% calcium bufotenate. It's more likely it will yield you 30% bufotenine freebase only or worse.
If you want a reliable crude extract, try fractal enhancement's tek.
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I've tried fractals and had good success but I am always exploring  . I agree that calcium bufotenate is probably a myth. PH 10 at most you say? then wouldn't pickling lime be inadequate and should be replaced with sodium carb, ala fractals tek? I just wonder what the acid wash really does.
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I think the idea with getting the alkaloids in an acidic aqueous solution was that some of the fats wouldn't be as soluble as they would be in IPA. However through my experiments the cleanest results I've had have come through basifying the seeds with sodium carbonate, rinsing out the alkaloids with acetone then adding FASA to drop out the alkaloids, but not the fats. Then if you rebasify then pull again with acetone, evap and toast the extract until no more stinky vapors are evaporating, you are left with a very dry result, which depending on the content of the seeds can be very usable as is.
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Interesting. I'll have to give that a shot. It's sad when people post bunk techniques for extractions. Get's your hopes up. Thank you for the advice 
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mydriasis wrote:I've tried fractals and had good success but I am always exploring . Were you able to achieve visions?..I always take it in the dark now and lay down and think of it like an ayahuasca ceremony..works best that way for me..but I am curious as to what others experience working with it.. Long live the unwoke.
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I only did the extraction with a small amount of seeds using your technique fractal.
I actually got OEV's. They were fast but fluid flickering on and off, very bright white light. Not too many other colors. My ingestion method was smoked. It didn't last teribly long, I assume I didn't have a full dose.
The setting was day-time. I'll have to try it in the dark the next time I obtain some seeds(which I am certainly looking forward to doing once I have some cash).
I have never done ayahuasca, but I have experienced a bit of smoked spice.
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I didn't get the RebBaron tek to work on the first go, which was a bummer : (
gonna try some others
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