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barguy8194
#1 Posted : 12/16/2018 11:01:39 PM
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I smoked approximately 0.2g of 40x Salvia Divinorum last week. I’ve been ruminating on the experience since because it was so confusing for me at first. Here’s what happened.

I smoked the stated amount from a water bong with ice cubes. As I remember, I smoked it, heat applied for the entire duration as my research suggested I should. I held the smoke in, and counted. I was aiming to count to thirty, but I only remember getting to twenty. When I got to twenty, I saw my visual field go slightly askew as if it were one of those tile games where there are multiple heads, multiple torsos, and multiple legs which can be swapped around. I remember thinking, “ok, here it comes,” and the ...

Blank.

I dissociated.

My mind wiped. I was lost, confused. I had not only forgotten that I was a human being, but I had no concept of what “human” was. I saw the faces of my best friend and my cousin, who were both sober and trip-sitting me, revolving around in my visual field as though they were the carts on a Ferris wheel. My friend asked “how you feeling, buddy?” Which reminded me that language existed, though for a few more minutes I did not comprehend how to use it.

Eventually I noticed my cousin staring at me, grinning, and my friend doing the same. I began wondering what they were waiting for, which is when I remembered that I had smoked something, and they were “waiting” for me. It made me very anxious and I began feeling badly that I had been so selfish as to begin tripping while expecting them to stay sober and wait it out (in my mind at the time, I believed this trip would last several hours, as opposed to the 30 or so minutes that my logical brain knew it would).

My face must have betrayed my mental state, because my friend asked me “everything ok man?” And I struggled out the response “it’s just making me really... anxious... that I’m tripping... and you guys aren’t.”

My friend at that point reached for the bong and said “ok buddy, you don’t have to do it alone.” And I grabbed his arm, practically yelling “NO! That’s a bad idea! I don’t like this ride, I want to be done...” and like any good trip-sitter should, he proceeded to explain to me that it would be over shortly, go with the flow, etc. and was mostly successful in calming me down.

However, I was still quite anxious about tripping in their presence, for some reason. By this point I had “come back to earth” and understood that I needed to lay down and close my eyes and just enjoy the CEVs. I wanted to go upstairs to my bed to be alone, but the first attempt at standing went quite poorly and I decided against it. I looked at my two trip sitters and said “you guys should go.” Because that was the only wording I could come up with. So, they left the room, put out the candles and turned off the lights after I laid down on the couch, and left the door open so they could still monitor me from the next room.

I laid there with my hat over my face for full darkness. The closed eye visuals were a rainbow of fractal imagery, which eventually morphed into a giant rainbow-cosmic serpent. I felt as though I was flying through a void directly at the serpent, and decided the best option was to fly down its throat as it came at me. Once inside the serpents belly, the void reappeared and a hawk formed, with a snake in its talons, similar to the scene from Aztec mythology. Finally, the hawk morphed into an owl (my favorite animal and my “spirit animal”), then dissipated into a scene of sparks and radiating colors. At that point, my friend came back in to check on me, and I had mostly come down, so I joined them out in the next room.

I can only explain my “blank” moment in one or two ways; the confusion felt similar to coming out of a deep anesthesia, having a “lost” feeling and having no concept of time, space, or anything else. I didn’t know what the faces were on that “Ferris wheel,” as humanity had instantly become a foreign concept to me. I later came to the conclusion that a good metaphor would be re-living birth to about age three in a five-minute time span. I remember images of my friend an my cousin with their faces attached to half-bodies, only one leg and one arm, as if cut down the middle, and being entirely confused as to not who they were, but what they were. I immediately forgot that I had smoked something, I lost all concept of external stimulus (I felt as though I had temporarily become deaf) and had no idea where I was, who I was, or what I was. I didn’t even know for sure IF I was... physically, I felt a “pins and needles” effect all over my body, as well as a falling vertigo feeling. Once that wore off, my body was restless, but only capable of jittering about, not standing up or moving.

I think I will try this again, but definitely in a smaller quantity. I would like to explore this substance further, especially some of the more-pleasant things I experienced in the latter half of the trip.

Anyone experienced something like this with Salvia?
 

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Asher7
#2 Posted : 12/17/2018 1:38:49 AM

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That sounds pretty par for the course with salvia. It does all sorts of bizarre things. I believe you said you just started with it so here are some things I’ve noticed. Day and night drastically affects the trip. Eyes open/eyes closed drastically affects the trip. One weird thing is trying to get a big dose and nothing happens, or clearing out the remanant ashes and getting absolutely launched. Salvia seems to have the ability to sober you up, after a big trip if you were drinking or on some pill you’ll come back and be sober from it. Dissos seem to synergize amazingly.

It sounds like you’re off to a good start so far. If you ever get a chance to try plain dry leaf definately give it a go, all my best trips were on plain leaf. Keep on trucking and report back if anything weird happens.Cool
 
null24
#3 Posted : 12/17/2018 1:39:01 AM

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That's salvia all right. Your experience closely parallels my own.

It took what felt like ten minutes to get out the words "I... will...never...f###ing...do...that...again"

Ten actual minutes later i tried it again.

Salvia is...interesting. My experience was definitely not pleasant, but the rumination that your currently engaging in left me with much better resolutions than would be expected from the content and quality of the trip itself.

It's something that seems to have been given little but that demands huge respect.
Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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#4 Posted : 12/17/2018 2:52:58 AM

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null24 wrote:
It's something that seems to have been given little but that demands huge respect.


Yep. It demands a huge amount of respect and its effects are rather unique.

A personal anecdote about my first experience with both psychedelics and salvia:

Prior to the trip, I wondered if I would lose my grasp on reality and stumble around babbling incoherently like in videos online. Instead, I learned that I can retain enough of my grasp of language and motor function to appear somewhat normal while completely gone. I said some very hurtful, angry things to my girlfriend who was trip sitting (that I would never say otherwise). It could have destroyed the relationship that would eventually turn into a marriage. I can still remember not physically existing while the world slid apart along curved planes, the area of visual focus perceived with complex synesthesia, yet still hearing my significant other weeping inconsolably next to me. I have never become belligerent with conventional psychedelics.

I had many interesting experiences with responsible doses later (by myself).
 
barguy8194
#5 Posted : 12/17/2018 7:00:20 AM
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null24 wrote:
Ten actual minutes later i tried it again.


Ten minutes after I actually felt exhausted. I did try it again tonight though, albeit in a much smaller quantity. I used about a quarter of the amount that I used my first time. This time yielded almost exclusively physical body effects. My face and head felt quite heavy, and there was a light sense of spiraling vertigo. My ability to communicate verbally was hindered, though my mental state was entirely lucid and coherent. The disconnect seemed to be between forming thoughts and forming the words to express them. There was a minute or two where I felt a strong, almost cannabis-like euphoria, with a warm lifting feeling from my chest up to my face that forced a smile and some giggles. CEVs were light and mostly consisted of colorful patterns and sparks/fireworks type imagery.

null24 wrote:
but the rumination that your currently engaging in left me with much better resolutions than would be expected from the content and quality of the trip itself.


I agree! I’ve gotten much more out of the week since that trip than I did during the actual trip itself. That’s part of what I love about psychedelics in general; one trip can yield new lessons days, even weeks after.
 
 
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