SWIM has learned in his 50ish trips over the last 2 1/2 years on everything from DXM to Shrooms to Salvia to Ayahuasca to Benedryl quite a few things.

Once of this things that have eluded are exactly what is stated in the title.


*Hallucinations*


SWIM has had a fair amount of Open Eyed Visuals (OEV), ie: Breathing, fractal morphing, color shifts, strobing transparent artifacts and alike.

SWIM has had many Closed Eyed Visuals (CEV) and a fair amount of Closed Eyed Hallucination (CEH) (mostly on DMT)

But he has only had 4 mild Open Eyed hallucinations to date, A bee on Ayahuasca and 2 flies and a brown snowflake on Benedyl.


SWIM has heard that true hallucinations can be really scary and not fun, but he feels the need to experience then if only just once.


SWIM is so tempted by thought of them that he has taken Dramamine and Benedryl Twice. Despite the nasty hangovers and very annoying highs even at low doses.

SWIM has taken 600 mics LSD and 4.25g of psilicybe cubensis and got mild OEV on both and some nice CEH on LSD, but he was so mindfucked he barely enjoy them at all.


*FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT TO READ ALL OF IT, THIS IS THE QUESTION I'D LIKE ANSWERED*


Which substances would be best for Open Eyed Hallucinations, things that look almost 100% real but are physically not there or at least not in the that form?
IE: Lamp looks like a friend.

SWIM has heard people citing Open Eyed Hallucinations on Shrooms, 2c-b, Aya/Pharmahuasca, Datura, Dramamine and Benedryl

What substances are most likely for SWIY to cause hallucinations?

(Don't worry, SWIM will have a sitter)

Cheers Fellow Psychonauts

well from what I have heard I dont think you want open eye hallucinations from datura...

Salvia has done it..but it's so so so much more than simply "open eye hallucinations"..more a full on perceptual shift complete with hallucinations/visions..I once looked at my friend while smoking a big bowl of plain leaf, not expecting to break through and suddenly I forgot everything i knew and to me at that point he looked as unfamiliar and scary as a big hairy spider! I did not know what the hell a human was and it was frightening. I panicked and ran out of his garage down the hallway(which was sideways) until I got to the living room where it all came back to me.

Mushrooms have done it a few times as well..but again it was also a complete perceptual shift..mushrooms almost alays give me closed eye visions though just like DMT..far superior to eyes open IMO..

Been on the verge a few times with bufotenine where with open eyes things in the room start to get all shiney and smooth looking and actually begin to take the appearance of strange alien like things..technologies, computer board like stuff etc..higher doses I am sure would bring it on to a greater degree..DMT, 5-ho-DMT, 4-ho-DMT I think all are capable of giving one open eye visions at real high doses.

Datura, Dramamine and Benadryl are definetely not the best substances.
When you're "tropane" tripping, you're not able to distinguish reality from "true open eye hallucinations"
better try shrooms with maois in a dark place - loads of visuals .)

SWIM has tried 4.25g of shrooms with only mild OEV, just as mild CEV no entities or stories, just shapes/patterns
It was an annoyingly intense trip in the mind though, endless mind chatter on subjects SWIM had already established the answer to many times.

SWIM seems to be a visual hardhead

As for Salvia, SWIM has been planning to retry it but starting at low doses, his last trip was terrible ego death hell, lol


Thanks for the replys though

Have you ever herd of Iboga? That might do it....

I think what would do you the best is either 4-AcO-MIPT or a huge dose of 2c-e. Good luck finding the first thought.

Maybe if you're not having much luck with visuals on tryptamines try a few phens. For me high dose mescaline is amazingly visual.

pan cyans (or any mushroom high in psilocin) or dmt.

dmt is easily the most visual psych swim's ever had, and he's tried a lot of things

True open eye? Sleep deprivation and dehydration after 72 hours the fun begins its like a SAFE Datura trip. Some tribes called it vision quest it takes balls that are not to common these days. Most peps still complaining about stomach discomfort, no pain no gain is a fact.

This is the Mirage Oasis in the Deseret of long ago. Before dying in the desert of dehydration the poor fellow would see a beautiful blue water fall women dancing as he drinks from the cool blue pool.

In reality he is alone in the dry desert sands putting hand fulls of sand into his mouth. His death will likely be soon.
I think this may be how the psycho Muslims came up with there wacco 49 VIRGIN theory in the KORAN. Those harmless religious folks and there wacky beleifes.....:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

Lots of unusual religious encounters thought out history occurred in the desert.....Hum.................Is this significant?

Make sure you have a sitter if you try this!


PEACE
MV

A high dose of peyote or san-pedro could do the trick for you, if mushrooms don't.
In a dark or shady environment, the tryptamines always work very well for me in giving true visions, even with open eyes.

For REAL hallucinations the Baneful botanicals such as Datura and Brugmansia are ideal.

sounds like the 4.25g isnt enough for that particular strain. try another, and go past 5g, like 5-7g. empty stomach.
also as someone else mentioned, use maoi. try smoking a bowl of syrian rue seeds while coming up, and during peak.

lsd hasn't historically given me oev, but last summer, i was looking down into an ordinary water canal, and saw an entire eco-village appear in the water. tree houses, people waving. it was delightful. i kinda wanted to jump in, but...nah!

By the fact that you are posting this in a DMT forum... I assume you have tried DMT but really, DMT has really given me astounding hallucinations (where legal) I have been completely convinced that what I was seeing was really there. I reached out and touched things that did not exist. At higher doses (80-100mg-ish) I completely lose touch with memory of vaping the DMT and attempt to interact with the surroundings. As it wears off, I start to see reality creep in an I am blown away by the realization that I've been completely gone.

20mg's of 2C-E.

Best visuals I've had yet.

A Brugmansia flower tea would give the visuals you seek, but tread very very carefully with this...

Also an initiation dose of Iboga in a dark room would be more than up to the task. And smoked Salvia extract has done the trick, bit only a few times.

And I second that, a large dose of 2CE will take you very very far.

As somebody stated earlier the "vision quest" or the "ordeal" is one of the best ways to get intense, meaningful hallucinations. An example of a vision would be as follows- A young Native American boy about 18 is sent into the wilderness with a knife and basket of Peyote. He finds a "sacred cave" where he eats 10 peyote buttons on the first day. He is then attacked by a bear, he fights off the bear and then eats more peyote. He stays up for three days eating peyote every few hours... by the third day he is having real visuals.

Try it!

I have gotten quite close to full blwon open eye hallucinations maybe 2 times with real high doses of bufotenine, where I cannot see the room through the thick layer of visions..Only when I took a large dose all at once and those peak effects only last about 5 minutes and then go down a level..and I was so nauseated I could hardly pay any attention.

Large doses of DMT I thinkshould fully replace reality with hallucination as well durring the main flash..just need to smoke enough..I mean at those doses "reality" makes no sense anyway.

Unfortunately, the only plants I know of that can cause the types of visions you're talking about are Datura and other plaints containing tropane alkaloids. In particular, scopolamine is the best alkaloid for this purpose. It is very dangerous to use for visions though. The visions you get look real, and you often cannot tell they are not real. Many people have died from overdoses or simply from doing odd things like walking on a highway, thinking they are at the beach, and getting hit by a car they never saw.

I agree with the datura. Although I've never done it I'm tempted to say it might be similar to 1600mg benadryls.

Honestly the only REAL hallucinations I've ever had. As in like a person walking in the room and talking to me that really wasnt there or reading a book that isn't there <and probably doesnt make since> or swatting at flies flying in my face would be the benadryl. I remember the depth perception was so off I would fall reaching for the lightswitch that I've reached for a million times. And if your reaching for one of the hallucinations you will be confused when your hand goes through it but it is still there when you pull back. I remember being at a friends house efd up on benadryls, in the 1000-1500mg range, I originally went outside to piss but before I got to the door I had another mission. FIND MY MORNING GLORY SEEDS. I finally made it outside (got stuck at the two doors only one that opens) and of course i never found it but I kept seeing seeds on the ground. I did some other stupid stuff on it but I never made benadryl my thing.

I agree though that the benydryl high isn't that great. I would try a carefully measured dose of datura first.

Do it with somebody to watch over since the level of intoxication that goes along with these drugs mentioned can provoke you to do some weird shit you never would do knowing you were that fucked up.

Be safe mayn. later

If you must do Datura/Brugmansia then smoke it, don't ingest it.

Try smoking some Salvia divinorum extract with Datura flowers and seeds.