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StealthyBong
#1 Posted : 12/2/2018 7:11:54 PM

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Hey all! I've been on a bit of a psychedelic hiatus as I try to make it thru these classes. This session has been finishing up and my itch for extractions had gotten the better of me. I found a leftover bag of syrian rue and combined it with some new glass for my third attempt at trying to successfully extract rue.
I have gotten to the SAME spot i always bugger it up at

I follow the Tao of Rue extraction here on the nexus but the fourth step never goes as planned.
It instructs you to let the based liquid sit over night so you can let the powder settle to the bottom then decant the based liquid off the top. The problem the alks never fully settle making it impossible to decant.
You guys always have helpful suggestions when I come here for help so I figure I'd try seeing if anyone else had had to overcome this. I'd appreciate any input.
I think my options right now are: using a coffee filter, heating tell dryness(it's only 19ml's), or just adding the hot vinegar ontop of what I have and hoping for the best.
p.s: I definitely have a few intense experiences under my belt since the last time I've posted, still got crazy respect for the people researching on this forum.
Would naphtha work...??
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pastanostra
#2 Posted : 12/2/2018 7:39:00 PM

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You can forget naphta Thumbs up

If your pic is harmalas FB, you can go with hot vinegar to dissolve, then filter undissolvable, then manske.
Filtering basic mix is hard & long.
 
StealthyBong
#3 Posted : 12/2/2018 8:16:38 PM

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Yeah, I'm just so close again! it's making me nervous Shocked . But thanks for the tips! Ima see if I can pipette off a few more ml's than add hot lemon extract probably (just because I already have plenty around). But every mankse i've tried, i've failed so we'll see if I learned anything yet. I'm just going to get the solution REAL hot before I put any salt in. And considering its under 20 ml's I think there's a max 2 grams of salt going in. I'll report back with pics if alls good!
 
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#4 Posted : 12/2/2018 9:37:59 PM

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At times I’ll decant as much water as possible with a glass turkey baster and then pour the fb into a coffee filter. When you redissolve with vinegar + hot water submerge the coffee filter in it and all the fb will disolve off the filter. Squeeze out the filter as much as you can and throw it on your used filter pile to extract all the leftovers later. I’ll also suck up a small bit of vinegar and keep running it down the sides of the glass and you’ll get what’s stuck there, then add that vinegar into the amount used next keeping all your goods where you can get to them.

When I did the manske I would dissolve fb into 1/8-1/4 cup of vinegar and 1 cup of water. I would put that in the stove and get it just under boiling (a really tiny pot helps), cut off the heat and stir in your measured salt 10g salt per 100ml liquid which for me came out to a rounded 355 grams. Pour the solution into a glass that has good height/width ratio and in a few hours you’ll see crystals growing. This was with 2 grams approx of fb harmala.

The urgency of the recommendation for filtering in The Tao is pinpoint. Lack of harmala to water would potentially stop your crystals. It’s frustrating because another member mentioned problems and so far it’s worked exactly as the author said it would for me every time so I want to know what’s not working.
 
StealthyBong
#5 Posted : 12/2/2018 10:21:28 PM

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Noted! Each time I go thru the Tao I take it's warnings and the entire process as a whole more seriously, I think the first big thing I can do next time to make this easier on myself, especially since rue is pretty cheap, is skip trying to make this work small scale (under 50 grams of rue) like bark and naphtha can and try going way bigger to start learning. Other than that it's mostly just me stumbling around trying to learn this stuff. I'm at the point in this xtract where I could try using a coffee filter like your saying or try just adding the hot vinegar again. Both seem pretty viable and I do like the idea seeing them outside solution at least once before the manske. Should hopefully decide and do it before the end of the day
 
Asher7
#6 Posted : 12/3/2018 12:22:43 AM

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Give 8 oz’s a go. It’s small enough to be convenient but it’s enough to have a little extra final product to experiment and not have to break out the kitchen supplies. If you boil that really well 4-5 times and get everything good and filtered, once it’s down to about 2-2 1/2 cups if you fb it or manske you will definately see some impressive reactions. I can not imagine how you would not get a reaction.
 
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#7 Posted : 12/5/2018 1:10:35 AM

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Your solution might be still too thick for the solids to settle in a reasonable time.

What I do in this case is diluting the solution so the solids have easier time to move around. I have two 2L tall beakers. I then repeat decanting and topping up with liquid several times before finally filtering.

I would advise however to re-acidify the solution with acetic acid (vinegar) and filter it once again, then base again. This will remove more impurities. You can experiment with using half the volume of liquid for the second filtering.
 
 
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