Hello there, SWIM has researched Aya and DMT for a while. SWIM have finally decided that SWIM is prepared to experience this for himself. Before, the only psychedelic experiences SWIM has had are through LSD, LSA, and Salvia. SWIM himself an wouldn't call himself an expert, but not new to it either.

SWIM's first question is, SWIM has not found any concrete instructions anywhere SWIM has looked on how to do a CWE or Cold water infusion with MHRB. Could anyone show me where SWIM could find a guide or give me instructions? SWIM has the general gist of it, powdered bark in a container covered with water in the fridge for a week or so stirring the powder, then to strain and repeat. But SWIM was looking for more specific instructions on the time to keep it in the fridge and how much water to use.

Second question, SWIM has read about Syrian Rue and SWIM had decided on taking 3g of seeds and brewing it into a tea and reducing and mixing with the CWE of MHRB. SWIM then read that tea made from Syrian Rue can make one very nauseous and can ruin the experience. Would it be better to just grind the seeds, put the in tissue paper, and take them orally 1g at a time over a 15min period. Then to wait around 20min or so to take my CWE of MHRB?

Thank you for your help and patience.

Well, for me a week looks like a lot. Personally i would consider the following:

1)Volume of water: Its no use utilising two liters of water for example given that a cold water extract calls for an unreduced drink.Use a manageable volume, try to get the best out of it. I would utilise lots of stirring and shaking, also an idea could be to use finely ground bark and propably even utilize a "freeze-thaw" of the wetted bark to furtherly rupture cell structures.It might be an overkill,still nothing to lose.

2)Content of water/purity: I would use distiled water (which is found easily) ,you could add some acid also like a splash of vinegar.Distilled water will have no salts ,propably more of whatever you are after will be able to dissolve.

3)Time: I would give it a day or so, or even overnight at room temperature.




Reading is amazing, thinking thoroughly though is what leads to all those amazing things one has read.

If the tea ,which is not a total extraction, makes one nauseous wouldn't eating the seeds make one propably more nauseous given that the total of their contents will be introduced to your system?

I would suggest "investing" more into it, meaning to take your time : It may be usefull to carry out a Manske extraction from a bigger volume of seeds and use this as your material. More or less you need nothing exotic, salt and vinegar is all it takes.It has been documented thoroughly on those forums, check the harmala boards and you will find it in more detail that you propably want

Thats all from me now, i think way more experienced people than me exist in this board and they will chime in.

I have read in some places of people reducing a CWE of MHRB, does this reduce the potency or anything like that to discourage one from doing so? SWIM would much rather be left with about a shot to down instead of a glassful.


What I was hinting at with the taking it in one gram doses over a period of time, not all of it being absorbed into your body at once may not have such a side effect rather than taking a full dose of it all at one time to all be absorbed at one time as well.
If that makes any sense, either way I will look into a Manske extraction, given SWIM has 2oz of seeds I am hoping that is the larger volume you are taking about?

hey

I think you dont find more specific instructions because there arent very strict guideliness for how this work. What you have to do is understand the processes, the quantities should just be reasonable so that the processes work, big accuracy is not necessary.. So in this case, what you want is the alkaloids to dissolve in the water, so there must be enough of it, but you dont want too much so that you have to swallow a gallon to feel the effects.. I would just put the powdered mimosa in a pot, and fill water so that all mimosa is covered, and then just leave it for, say, a day or two, filter and drink.

The thing is, mimosa cold water extraction takes out at least one extra different alkaloid than an extraction with hot/boiling water and acid (like people do when extractig).. This CWE is active by itself, apparently, at around 30-40g, without the need of a MAOI (But never tried it myself. If you use MAOI, better go way lower, more like 10g or under of CWE mimosa) You can also check out the THP method if you want

as for the rue, I dont recommend swallowing them in capsules or something like this, you will get a lot of nausea causing stuff like this.. a 3g tea of 3x boiled and then filtered rue works and I think better than straight eating rue, but also may have some nausea.. The best way IMO is to extract the pure alkaloids from rue, it takes a few repeats to finish and get pure product but its easy and can be made with food safe products, check it out

good luck and feel free to ask anything else you may want to know about

I guessed as much, but it never hurts to ask questions. It didn't seem like rocket science, but yeah. It looks like my hunch was correct. Thank you.


Can I reduce this filtered liquid or should there not be too much water to cover around 10-20g or powdered bark? I've never really seen this amount so I'm not quite sure how much this actually is.


Yes, I saw this method. The rig just looks like a little much than I would like to do at the moment. I want to use the least amount of materials/utensils possible.


Thank you, and I do have one last question.
Would I be better off just to boil the MHRB for a few hours than to go along with this CWE business?
The only reason I considered CWE over boiling is because I had read somewhere that it helps in preventing nausea from mimosa. Also would it be just like traditional Aya brewing? Boil plant materials anywhere from 35min-1hours. Strain into container, repeat up to 4 times. Add all boilings together and reduce to a drinkable amount?

I've never done CWE, so I cant really say from experience, unfortunately.. Since the times I took mimosa orally or extracted I boiled them and after filtering I reduced, I didnt care about using 'just enough' water, so Im sorry but I cant say exactly how much that would be.. But I guess if you put like 10-20g of powdered bark and around a glass of water, it will be fine.

In CWE, usually people do because of this 'extra' alkaloid which is destroyed at high temperature and acidic pH.. If you reduce the water, it will probably destroy this alkaloid (though it will still for sure be active with a MAOI), but again im sorry but didnt try CWE myself so cant say from experience if reducing will for some reason increase the nausea-causing elements or not.. I would guess its ok to reduce because most of the nausea-causing tannins and so on wont have come across from mimosa and since you will have thrown away mimosa by then, then i guess it would be fine, but thats just speculation.

I dont know if you're better off just boiling.. If you're affraid of nausea, first of all notice that nausea may be integral part of this medicine, regardless of how you prepare it. Even taking only purified alkaloids may bring some nausea due to serotonine signalling in the guts. You can take a strong ginger tea or extract like 15 mins before drinking your brew, and this will also help diminishing nausea. If nausea does come, just learn to accept it.. Have a bucket and some water nearby, and go with the flow

as to what one would do, yeah would be basically like traditional brewing, boil, strain, add more water and repeat for total of 3-4x, pool all boilings and reduce

good luck

Well, reducing (applying heat) could defeat the purpose of a CWE which from what i gather it can extract heat liable compounds from mimosa. Also 2 Oz seeds can be indeed extracted Go for it ,above all its a fun procedure!

I'm not afraid of the nausea, its more of I don't want to be vomiting 34 times throughout the whole trip. Especially during the peak. Vomiting once or twice before the onset is fine for me.

Alrighty, I think I will just go ahead, use the seeds to make an extract, And make a brew out of the MHRB and will find out for myself what works. If I do end up throwing up the whole time it will have been a learning experience and a purifying of myself.

Thank you guys for being patient with me and for your advice and help.

No plastic bottles in my house, is the issue. I'd rather not go out and buy one.
and I have syringes actually.
But I am just going to go ahead and boil the mixture.

Google 'Hummingbird tek'

This looks very interesting, thanks for the tip .

This is absolutely what i looking for , saving times but i still need some info on what to do next after the MHRB was extracted. It must be reduced to drinkable amounts right? do i need to just boil it or add some white egg before the reducing(boiling) step?

seeing as how it would be less than 50ml, you could probably just drink it at that point.

no need for tannin fining (egg white) with CWE.

heat would negate the point of a CWE (afaik)

Alright so, im gonna use CWE for mimosa powdered today . I will use a small pot about 200ml and just put 5gm powdered MHRB and pour some water until it covered, say 180ml, stirred it. Leave it for 24 hours and then strain it and just drink it. is that right?

So today, i will also do some THP extraction with B.caapi about 10gm or so. How long i can keep this brewed caapi? Let say i want to drink it with friends next week so any effects or problem to this?

5g of mimosa in a cwe will give you no effects. 50g gave me no effects.

did you add some MAOI? so whats best recommendation to this? How about using THP extraction ?

no I never used a maoi as that's supposedly the point of a cwe. Imo I would definitely use a maoi in the future.

I plan to do some THP with B.caapi brew and CWE for mimosa, but im not sure if MHRB will not give any effect . As you said 5gm would not work, but ill give it a try first, because its my first time. So have you had any luck with other methods?