30-60 minutes for the freebased material. You’ll see smoke rise from the material for a few minutes.

SWIM has found toasting the final freebased product to be more effective at removing the toxins than toasting before it’s freebased.

Note that Jorkest noted in one post that toasting the seeds seemed to reduce the potency for sublingual use. But we are not talking about sublingual use here.


I’m not so sure about using ammonia though. SWIM uses either sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide and a little water. He’s shied away from using calcium hydroxide because it reacts with bufotenine. There are three stages of reaction between bufotenine and calcium hydroxide which are time dependant, the first is that it gets freebased, the second is that it gets converted to a different more hallucinogenic nicer compound of unknown identity, and if reacted further, it seems to inactivate it (at least for vaporization purposes). Sodium carbonate can only freebase bufotenine and doesn’t react with it. I don’t know why, but that’s the case.

The problem with using calcium hydroxide is that if left to react for too long, it alters the bufotenine making it inactive by vaporization, thereby ruining your extract. If only reacted for a few minutes, it just freebases it, and all is well. However, the intermediate reaction between freebasing and ruining your bufotenine, is an extremely nice compound, much better than bufotenine, DMT, etc. It is the best psychedelic SWIM knows of, but unfortunately to make it requires that the reaction time be just right. Too little time and the bufotenine is just freebased, too much time and your bufotenine can no longer be vaporized. I don’t know the optimal time to use. SWIM tried many tests and could not find a time frame that always worked. What he knows is that 24 hours is too long and converts the bufotenine into a non-vaporizable compound. 15 minutes is not enough and just freebases it. The time needed is somewhere between 2-6 hours, and seems to vary every time. The safest reaction time is 2 hours. That seems not to be enough time to get to the third reaction stage. And if it doesn’t work, and just freebases the bufotenine, and then you can do another 2 hours and it will usually work.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PLAYING AROUND WITH THIS REACTION. When the calcium hydroxide reaction hits stage 2, the results are nothing short of amazing. But when it hits stage 3 your fucked. So don’t do the reaction with all of your bufotenine. That’s why SWIM doesn’t use calcium hydroxide for extractions, and uses sodium carbonate instead. With sodium carbonate there’s no worry about ruining your entire extract, but with calcium hydroxide there is. I think probably sodium hydroxide would have similar reactions with bufotenine so it also shouldn’t be used for extraction.

The product of the stage 2 reaction with calcium hydroxide is smokeable, about 1/2 the potency of bufotenine, has the same duration of effects (2-3 hours), the same onset of effects (2-5 minutes), and same peak (10-15 minutes). It’s visuals are of a completely different character. It’s more DMT-like, but much nicer than DMT. It’s extremely euphoric, up there with mescaline in that respect, and completely without side effects. It has a much milder feel on the body compared with bufotenine. It feels like an entirely different compound. It’s actually SWIM’s favorite psychedelic (bufotenine is his next), but since it has no name and it’s structure is unknown, SWIM doesn’t refer to it normally when talking about psychedelics. It is without the “mind fuck” of DMT, but visually almost identical.

When Yopo is made properly, the effect you get is from this stage 2 compound. It’s very DMT-like, and you might easily mistake it for DMT, except that the duration is 2-3 hours even when smoked and it lacks the “mind fuck” of DMT. Also you feel “grounded” with this compound whereas with DMT you can feel disoriented. It’s like a friendlier version of DMT. I think most people would prefer it over DMT. SWIM has given some to other friends and they all liked it more than DMT. However, that’s not the case with bufotenine. Some people like it, some don’t, and some people don’t get much visual effects from it. SWIM likes them both very much, but prefers the unknown stage 2 compound. It’s more visual and far more euphoric, and feels more body friendly.

I think calcium butotenate was proven to not exist..it only exists in solution..once out of solution it does not exist.

I dont believe it exists..the reports, including this one describe EXACTLY how it goes when I smoke freebase bufotenine.

This is what freebase bufotenine is like for me when I get a real good dose..

The 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine) react with the calcium hydroxide, to form a compound Ca + 5 O-DMT (calcium bufotenate), but splits in the acetone solution leaving 5-O-DMT in solution'
So basically calcium bufotenate only exists in solution' or as of when Bufotenine is in physical contact with calcium hydroxide' as a compound'

Calcium Bufotenine/nate is only existent within the reaction'

The end product is 5 O-DMT'~

His friend says that before being exposed to pH 12, freebase bufotenine is soluble in acetone, but after being exposed to pH 12 for 24 hours, the result is a compound that is no longer soluble in acetone, but very soluble in alcohol or water. It is also insoluble in non-polar solvents and can't be turned back into bufotenine by the addition of any acids. His friend is unable to verify that it is transformed into dehydrobufotenine, but believes this to be the case.

What he knows is that 24 hours is too long and converts the bufotenine into a non-vaporizable compound. 15 minutes is not enough and just freebases it. The time needed is somewhere between 2-6 hours, and seems to vary every time. The safest reaction time is 2 hours. That seems not to be enough time to get to the third reaction stage. And if it doesn’t work, and just freebases the bufotenine, and then you can do another 2 hours and it will usually work.

I was chatting on-line with several chemists last weekend about using calcium hydroxide to create 5-O-DMT from 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine). They all agree that about this part. However, one chemist said “If you take 5-O-DMT and dissolve it in concentrated ascorbic acid it will become DMT”. So this is what he says happens essentially:

Proposal A - Free Base DMT from Bufotenine via Vitamin C (the antioxidant known as ascorbic acid)

Step A1 - free base 5-HO-DMT + calcium hydroxide = calcium 5-O-DMT
Step A2 - calcium 5-O-DMT + ascorbic acid = DMT ascorbate + calcium ascorbate
Step A3 - DMT ascorbate + calcium hydroxide = free base DMT + calcium ascorbate

They all agreed about step A1, citing the “phenol to phenoxide” reaction with strong bases. This makes sense since 5-HO-DMT is a phenolic compound. We can argue this also, if any one likes. They all agreed about step A3 also.
Now what I really want to talk about is step A2. The chemists all argued about step A2.

One of the chemists said the oxygen bond at the 5 position is too strong for the antioxidant property of ascorbic acid to remove it. He said this would happen:

Proposal B


Step B1 - free base 5-HO-DMT + calcium hydroxide = calcium 5-O-DMT
Step B2 - calcium 5-O-DMT + ascorbic acid = 5-O-DMT ascorbate + calcium ascorbate
Step B3 - 5-O-DMT ascorbate + calcium hydroxide = calcium 5-O-DMT + calcium ascorbate

The others argued about step B2, stating the reversal of the “phenol to phenoxide” reaction would take place. Basically saying that as soon as the 5-O-DMT is exposed to the acid it becomes free base again and then 5-O-DMT becomes 5-HO-DMT and forms a salt with the acid like this:

Proposal C

Step C1 - free base 5-HO-DMT + calcium hydroxide = calcium 5-O-DMT
Step C2 - calcium 5-O-DMT + ascorbic acid = 5-HO-DMT ascorbate + calcium ascorbate
Step C3 - 5-HO-DMT ascorbate + calcium hydroxide = calcium 5-O-DMT + calcium ascorbate

If either Proposal B or Proposal C happens, then this is a pretty uninteresting reaction.

But if Proposal A actually happens, then this is exciting news isn’t it?

Anadenanthera colubrina seeds contain up to 12% (actually I heard some people claim 20% with the right extraction tech) bufotenine. So if Proposal A happens, then Anadenanthera colubrina could be the best natural source for DMT using a simple reaction.

The one chemist I was chatting with on-line insisting that “Proposal A” happens claims to have done it and bioassayed it.

Is he full of crap?

Or is he the genius of the group?

Has anyone else done “Proposal A” before?

Does this actually work?

Check out the second post in this thread..

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/...aspx?g=posts&m=15245

..Im going to try it this week..but the effects mentioned still sound identical to what I experience with freebase bufotenine.

I will do it the way the amazonians do it..that way I can be sure I am getting whatever itis they get..

So if I take some seashells which I have tons of, powder them and then burn them in the oven and then mix them with the seed powder and add water that is essentially the same thing as the traditional prep right?..if I understnad correctly burning the powdered shells will form calcium oxide and adding water will create calcium hydroxide?

Also what temperature should I burn the shells at?

-Bake powdered seeds for ~30 mins at 350 F.

-Put powdered seeds into an herbal percolator (search this site if not sure what this is).

-Run 600ml of acetone through the percolator at least 10 times. Can and should repeat this with fresh acetone to get all the bufotenine.

-Add FASA to the 600ml of acetone, let sit, filter out the powder/crystal and weigh.

-Weigh out in equal weight calcium hydroxide (hydrated lime).

-Add powder/crystals to a small amount of IPA to make a syrup liquid, add an equal amount of fresh water to syrupy liquid.

-Mix in calcium hydroxide, mix well, no clumps.

-Let sit for ~5 hours (6 is reported to have worked and is suggested, yet as of now SWIM is going to do 5 hours).

-Evaporate the liquid by baking at 350 F, cook if desired, this will help get rid of the bad stuff.

-Add to a large amount of fresh acetone (exact amount unknown), mix well, let sit for an hour or more, till dark amber in color, pour through filter and keep acetone.

-Repeat step above. Add fresh acetone to the filtered out goo. Do this until the acetone no longer is becoming amber in color.

-Combine acetone and evaporate to get ~90% calcium bufotenine.

-Experiment with vaporizing and sublingual use. Have fun and be safe.

well there is already a small problem with your extraction method...acetone does not hold bufotenine salts....and you have no freebasing step in the beginning..so bufotenine will NOT go into the acetone...you must freebase it first...and then you can pull with acetone and THEN you can FASA it out..

but if you can get this to work...that would be awesome!