does anyone know how potent these can be? SWIM took 3 (that were sent to him as a free sample from a well-known vendor) about 3 hours ago. He did not really read the trip reports on erowid until about 20 minutes ago, and did not like what he saw. SWIM in general dislikes anticholinergics; does anyone know how much of a night he's in for?

That is what you get for not researching what your taking.

You shouldn't feel much from just 3 tho...

wow

you should REALLY do some research before you just go ingesting some seeds...especially these seeds...

LUCKILY you only ate 3. 3 is known to eliminate nausea and potentiate psychedelics. It's safe in this dose.
You should never eat more than 10 in a day.
Some eat many more
and die.

So don't worry
but dude...don't ever do that again

If these are Datura stramonium, the 3 seeds can contain anywhere between 24 and 168 microgram tropane alkaloids (mainly hyoscyamine). This will not do much on it's own, but can potentiate psychedelics and stop any nausea. You should not even consider tripping on Datura alone, it is extremely dangerous - both because of the delerium you will get, and even as important because the dose needed for a trip is extremely close to the lethal dose.

Won't

I think it's wearing off now, but I read some posts saying 1-3 seeds could potentiate mescaline. SWIM made some mescaline using ron's d-limonene technique and - though he's only had 1 chance to try it - it has not been very potent. Seeing as he just finished up a major part of his schoolwork today, SWIM thought he'd try a higher dose, with the datura seeds on top to make sure it worked.

Well, SWIM doesn't think the mescaline worked. But he started reading reports on erowid like these:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16996

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34297

and it kinda got him worried about datura. I'm glad he didn't take more than 3!

It is important to note that different plants in the Datura and Brugmansia families often get mixed up. They have a very variable alkaloid content and size, so 15 seeds of one kind might take you to hell, while 15 seeds of an other kind might do next to nothing.

Therefore, you should only use seeds of Datura stramonium, and only use 1-5. Datura stramonium is also the one with the most hyoscyamine, which is the alkaloid you are looking for. Up to around 26 seeds is safe, but there is no need to take any more than 3 seeds to experience the potentiation.

I just received my shipment of Datura inoxia seeds for use during my next ceremony. I plan to use one or two seeds for relief of nausea alone -- something which plagues me greatly.

Can someone confirm the effectiveness of this and if one to two seeds is a proper dose? How much time do you allow before the nausea-relieving effects to take place?

Thanks!

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Kenneth

Datura inoxia will not work nearly as good as Datura stramonium. D. inoxia has about 97 % scopolamine. Scopolamine is great against motion sickness, but not nearly as good against nausea as hyoscyamine is. Datura stramonium seeds is what you want, as it is high in hyoscyamine.

Thanks for the response, EG.

I was a bit confused about the two when I ordered. What would be a good use for inoxia now that I have them? I've read it's a good sleep aid. Is this true? One or two before bed?

Thanks!

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K

Yes, Datura inoxia is an excellent sleep aid! It will not knock you out, but if you already are tired, it becomes a lot more easy to fall asleep. In addition, it is likely that your dreams are more vivid than usual. A few seeds does the trick, it is no big difference if you eat 2 or 5. You can also use a few of these seeds against motion sickness, if you have a problem with that some time.

Good luck!

ALWAYS RESEARCH BEFORE INGESTING ANY UNKNOWN SUBSTANCE.

THIS IS BASIC, BASIC HARM REDUCTION.

Not to bash on you dude, but truly, this is how people end up in the ER, or worse.


Please be careful and always research long and hard before ingesting ANYTHING.

You're lucky the vendor didn't send you 3 datura flowers or 3 nicotiana rustica leaves. But stupid for not researching further.

You're exactly the type of guy I need, come and find me because I got material from various plants that need to be bioassayed. Some may make you high or maybe kill you !

I hate to comment on this as it may be interpreted as a attack witch it is not. Maybe a Datura sticky would be good this is the second post in the last six weeks "I just took some Datura seeds bla bla bla?"

I can see the writing on the wall and it says it is just a matter of time if we continue this route that some one is going to be poisoned here at the NEXUS. All the work that many here have done here compiling valid information will be canceled out in one incident.

I said it before and I will say it again Datura and Nurseries do not mix. Most here do not have enough experience to even consider using datura in any amount. I have seen first hand the effects people who take a month to fully recover some did not speak for a week even if one survives what have you done to your brain? This aint no joke its life and death and people are being very irresponsible if you play with fire you will be burned.


I am very concerned and want no part of advocating the use of Datura by greenhorns. This is a poisonous plant used by experanced advanced shaman. I am not sure if anyone here fits that description.

You want a taste of the discomfort go eat overdose of benadryl or suck down a bottle of unisom sleep gels I recommend this because it most likley wont kill you just make you feel like shit and quite ill its a lot safer than Datura.

If I did not post this I would be taking part in advocating its use I want it to be clear that I do not. People asking questions AFTER they have consumed it There will be no guilt in my mind or blood on my hands when the accident occurs.

Or maybe I should just set up a web site and sell the seeds my self and make some extra cash. The first frost has wilted my plant and the seed pods are drying out now. Yes I have a plant but never have nor never will consume any part of it.

It will be a cold day in HELL when I act in such a irresponsible matter.


MV

MV,

I've read the literature and reports on Datura. I want nothing to do with a full Datura experience. Would you still consider 1 or 2 seeds irresponsible?

The only reason I have ANY interest in Datura is for nausea which hits me hard. Any alternatives to suggest?

Thanks,

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K

Well thats a slippery slope if you have the seeds on hand and keep them in a safe place away from friends or family who may for what ever reason consume them. It is very easy to become intoxicated and one of the main symptoms is delirium and memory loss once you reach that state you are no longer in control of your mental facilities. Once you reach that state you may not even remember you have taken Datura so you try a few more seeds or you may just consume the rest of your stash and not even be aware of it.

That is what people do not understand once you are delirious you may do any number of dangerous things. You are no longer in control you are completely insane so how can that be safe. It makes no difference who you are or how much you know because you are in a state of delirious insanity and you will most likley have no memory of any of it.

If you do have seeds keep them in a safe place where other will not come across them. This may sound extreme but if you do take one or 2 seeds put the rest AWAY so you can not get at more of them if you do lose you judgement.

Since I know none of you personally I cant make that call. If you have these seeds on hand by weight they most likely the most toxic thing you will have in your home. There are not any other household cleaning products of other normal household chemicals that are any where near as toxic by weight. These seeds are powerful and TOXIC.

I dont want to debate of discuss this I said my piece. Sorry to those who have heard it before. Im done.

Some may know how to use the seeds safely because they have done there own research I mean no disrespect to them but these seeds are not something that one recommends to others who have very little knowledge using plants espically Toxic ones


PEACE
MV

Thanks for you input, MV. I can think of much better sleep aids without the danger. I usually err on the side of caution and will remove these tools from the box.

Do you have something you'd recommend for the nausea, though?

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K

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I think what MagikVenom was talking about, was the general trend of using Datura, not the use in controlled means. If you know the strain of your seeds, and use dosages far under what possibly could induce delirium, my understanding is that you are entirely safe. As a matter of fact, I find Datura inoxia to have no toxic feeling at all, something I feel all the other sleeping aids I have tried have. It is important, however, to note that an overdose will result in catastrophic consequences. Only extreme small dosages (1-5 seeds) should therefore be used, and only when you are absolutely 100 percent certain that you have the strain you think you have.

Yes that sums it up well. The seeds seem to be quite popular and this is not something to be taken lightly people with no experience who do not know there potency or there danger or the nature of the memory loss and delirium they may cause. I would never sell these seeds to just anyone who has the money that is irresponsible. Any more than I would sell a handgun to a child who has heard that they may work well to defend ones self because they understand but a one very small aspect of the DANGER in the BIG picture.

I am getting sick of listening to my self so I promise I am done for real this time

PEACE
MV

I know the strain, I've done my homework, I am well aware of the dangers. I spent months researching mj before I took my first toke. I'm cautious, to say the least. MV's advice is generally sound and if a respected member of this forum suggests a categorical non-use of something like Datura, I listen.

However, the research I've done falls in line with your advice, EG. Actually, I would cap it at three -- but close enough. I have ZERO desire to have ANY sort of delirium or toxic poisoning. From my reading this is upwards 10-15+ seeds or unknown amounts of the flower, leaf, etc. I don't really have a desire for a sleep aid, but I'm in desperate need of something to help with my nausea when using aya. Again from my reading, Datura can help significantly with this around 1-3 seeds.

Or, I could just ask the dr. for some Donnital. But it's essentially Datura in controlled amounts. I'd like to find a natural remedy if possible.

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K

The three best natural remedies for nausea is, in my opinion, cannabis, Datura stramonium seeds and ginger. Cannabis will alter the trip significantly. So will also Datura stramonium, but the related Brugmansia suaveolens is often used in Ayahuasca in the Amazon. Ginger is the only effective remedy I know of that will not alter the trip, but it will not work nearly as good as the two others.

Personally, I feel the purging to be an important aspect of a Ayahuasca experience. It cleanses the body and mind.