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pete666 wrote:Try STB I use next time, you might avoid emulsions entirely ... Anyway, as far as it is eaten, it is ok. Do not strain anything, just do pulls. Be sure to have them clear, it goes directly for salting, so any bit of base leads to salts in the result. No problem for health, but screws purity/dosing and titration might give false results. With dmt and my semi-tek it is much easier. I do HCl salting and then basification and hot pulls with heptane, so any salt is left behind. Here unfortunately not. So Im in the salting phase.. I followed the instructions but Ive apparently done something wrong because I cant raise the PH over 3. I got so frustrated so ended up adding nearly 1litr of H2O to the Toluene.  I just put the vessel in the freezer now and thought that either something comes out of the water or I just trying over again tomorrow. Any tips are highly welcome! "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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I am not sure I get it :/ Have you separated the toluene (clean) from the basic water? Have you added distilled water to this separated toluene? (water:toluene ratio about 1:5) Have you added suggested amount of acid(3%) for half of expected alkaloid amount? Have you then heated the mixture to 60C and mixed thoroughly for few minutes? Is then the pH so low (3)? Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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1. Yes 2. Yes at first but then added more water to increase the ph but did not work 3. yes 4. No didnt heat it 5. yes "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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H2O is neutral, so adding water will not rise the pH. pH could be too low cause : - you add too much acid or - There is not enough mescaline The best, imho, is evap water, see how much mescaline and whatnot you get and then re-X « I love the smell of boiling MHRB in the morning »
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So when you added the distilled water to toluene (before you added more water), was the pH low? Are you using pH papers? What color was it, red? How long have you mixed before measurement? If 20C water is used, it may take about 10min of proper mixing to update the pH Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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The water should turn basic in the presence of alkaloids. At least if distilled or de-ionised water is used.
I usually use nitrazine indicator (about 0.2 ml of 0.2% Nitrazine Yellow, accordning to an1cca's notes). The indicator immediately turns violet-blue showing high pH.
This worked for backsalting both DMT and mescaline.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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Thanks for the replies guys! It really calms down the frustration So now Im evaporating the water and doing new pulls with the toluene. Ok so.. Do I first add the water to the toluene and then the acid? Or do I pre-mix the acid water and then adding it? Again thanks, and thanks for the patience! "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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Make the acidic solution before mixing with the toluene
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I would say it is not important, I always add the water, then the acid, then heat it and mix it. In your case, I would suggest not adding acid, just the water, mix properly and measure pH. If acidic, then something is wrong. Likely no alkaloids. If basic, you can go for salting Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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Ok I added 200ml of water with just 5 drops of 35% HCI. Its down at ph 3. Does this means that there is no alkaloids? Same cactus produces potent tea. And for this extraction over 1m of cactus was used. And it was in the base for 3 days before pulling. "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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endlessness wrote:Make the acidic solution before mixing with the toluene Endlessness, The Mason´s will perform your ethanol dmt extraction again with 200g of MHRB. Anything particular you want them to try in the name of science?  "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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Eaglepath wrote:Ok I added 200ml of water with just 5 drops of 35% HCI. Its down at ph 3. Does this means that there is no alkaloids? I suggested dilution of the acid to 3,5%. Much easier to work with. You seem not have done that. Nevermind, every gram of mescaline needs 10 drops of 35%. If 5 dops caused such pH drop after proper mixing, sorry there is not much alkaloids in there. Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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I did exactly as you said the first time, this time I just tried to add less. I see after the evaporation of the first pull of acid water and also this new one. I have really difficulties accepting that there is no alkaloids due to same cactus again is highly active if making a tea. "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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antichode wrote:Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting Im starting over and doing exactly this ATM in pure frustration! "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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antichode wrote:Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting Right. Moreover, if STB is used, initial proper mixing of the base with the cactus is important too, especially when not using powder. This is why blender/mixer is suggested for this step. Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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Does this looks like impure mescaline to anyone? Eaglepath attached the following image(s):  20180613_120740.jpg (3,099kb) downloaded 53 time(s)."Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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It may be. Is it the result of evaporation of first pull salting? How much is it? You may test it by taste - is it bitter? Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..
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pete666 wrote:It may be. Is it the result of evaporation of first pull salting? How much is it?
You may test it by taste - is it bitter? This is from the second salting.. The first one still evaps due to a lot of water used. I did not weigh it nor taste it, just put it straight in the oven like you said. "Too cute to live, too cozy to die" - Eaglepath
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drying in the oven will remove most of HCl. But it has to be powderized as much as possible, so it can escape once dry, taste it, it should be bitter if bitter, it may be weighed. Second pulls are giving me about 22% of total yield. First pulls 68%. Third 10% Acceptance of the fact that our reality is not real doesn't in fact mean it is not real. It just leads to better understanding what real means.
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