Dear folks,

I am looking for an answer for at least 1 year now...

I only come across Bufo alvarius, Mr. Garcia, Mr. Rettig, different kinds of retreat Centers all over the world and RC‘ suppliers!

None of the above are doable for me right now and probably not in the future, too....

So how do you guys come in contact with this kind of experience?

I would be very gratefull to get a valid answer from someone who managed him/herself to get in contact with 5-meo-DMT without using one of the above listed routes!

If you search and read a little bit here I think you can find some TEK which you can use on plants or seed to obtain 5 meo.

Good luck!

that was no help at all, sorry...

Well unfortunately the routes you already mentioned as untenable are the onlycurrent ones available if you are seeking.

There are plenty of self appointed sham people out there simultaneously deifying abusing reptiles for profit and personally i wouldn't recommend any of them. Besides toad venom is 5 meo as an orange tree is a fruit.

I wish i could be of more help as this comment will be equallly or more frustrating to hear than above, but it tends to come to you, not the other way around.

EP is also correct, and doubtfully anyone here is going to perform the search for you as that is anathema to the self education model that the nexus promotes.

Peace on your journey and be good to you.

Yeah thanks...


The thing is I did the research long ago and I'm still doing so...

But I don't want to waste grams or kilos of diplopterys and theodora resin, which isn't only expensive - it would an unnecessary pollution of the environment considering all the NPS and whatever is needed...

I just need one guy or girl to say " Yeah Ron's TEK is valid, do it this way" or " I heard SWIM has done it this way and had success""

Than I'm in...

I just don't want to waste my stuff blindly with my amateur science !(theoretical)! know-how...

Spice extraction is like cooking coffee more or less... and there are thousands of TEK and videos and things on the net.... that's not the problem

But the TEK's for 5-meo are rare and the threads aren't discussed to the valid point and in every 5-meo thread that is around the one that set's the thesis is the one the "verify's" it - no second input.... only questions - no experiences.... that's not only hardly understandable - that is nothing worth at all...

So I have to do the pioneer work and waste a lot of stuff? I don't think so....

thanks for your blessings and maybe you both do your research yourself in your own interest to find out that I asked after I have found nothing....

Ohhh. I understand and sense your frustration. Writing it, i knew that response wouldn't make you happy. It's not personal. Your restraint and clarity is appreciated.

Yeah, it seems that vegetable sources aren't really, or aren't yet, viable as reliable sources. Unfortunately toads seem to be the "best" source. And if you are a rational reasonable human and don't like the idea of putting your very being into the hands of a self aggrandizing profit driven charlatan or keeping a creature in captivity for your personal drug factory then you have a quandary of ethics and desire.I've never tried nor do i personally know anyone who has had success with plant source extractions.

There are other places online where you may have better luck-and I'm inviting you to read between the lines- strangely, and sketchily enough there are a lot of groups on a certain social networkthat is not known for its concern for privacy or safety of its users, and there is 5_hive, which i don't have the link for handy that may have more extraction info. I'm not sure.

5 meo was the source of a transformational experience that i self initiated five years ago that set me upon a long and twisted path out of suffering and darkness into a life i can truly call good. I wishyou success in your journey whatever your intention, it is a singularly powerful substance. It is not like any other. You are invited to read some of the things I've written about my experience that includes some of the mistakes I've made that delayed the integration of my experience at the 'practical tripper' link in my sig. (Apparentlyit did not affect my urge for shameless self promotion, har)

I appreciate your concerns and frustrations Camponotus. You don't want to go the Bufo route, and fair enough...you are likely to be charged a great deal of money for this, and there are concerns regarding the conduct of some of the facilitators involved in this scene, and potential exploitation of toads. At the same time, at the present time, there are not any truly viable or reliable botanical sources of 5-MeO...I hope this will change in the future, but this is it stands now now.

I personally think the only viable option given your position would be to obtain pure, synthetic 5-MeO. There are ways of doing this, possibly via what is referred to as the darkweb. I'm not going to say anything more about this, but it may be that where "there's a will, there's a way".

I have personal experience using pure synthetic 5-MeO and I've found it be in no way lacking any of the magic of it in its "natural" Bufo form...in fact, I've yet to experience any of the terror I've experienced via Bufo using the pure synthetic stuff, and I think I actually prefer it. It certainly gets you to the same place, and it's also nice being able to dose more accurately, and in a way that isn't lining the pockets of potentially unscrupulous facilitators or posing any risk of exploitation to toads.

Please, don't make the same mistake I did and do not underestimate the risk of prosecution. I had some bad time with gram of dmt acquired this way and subsequent consequences. It's very difficult to stop the prosecution once it starts...

https://forums.5meodmt.org/ is the local 5 meo forums. https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/5-MeO-DMT

People here can give you real lab results for extremely cheap 40~ I think. So if you find something that looks promising and you can grow it or get it. It may help move the goalpost for all of us.

From what I've seen nexians have done a good job of disproving many of the claims of 5 meo in plants and seeds. THe downside of that is.. still no tek (at least that I am aware of).

This is a long quest sir... Good luck!

//Editing, not that I have researched a ton, but there are some hard to find manuals and old psychedelic magazines that claim to have had 5 meo found. That link above on nexus. I don't have a horse in the race as far a opinion on whether or not we can find it, just gonna keep looking and making sure I am not repeating a nexians existing test as that does nothing for moving us all down the field.

All of the responses here point out the same things and it really does come down to this-and I'm not being snarky, it's just the way this stuff works- it will come to you when when you're ready.

Perhaps there is a reason. If you have had powerful psychedelic experiences before you know how it can be transformational. That said puddles of LSD25 did not prepare me for a breakthrough with 5meoDMT. I was one thing before and another afterward.

Had i had an inkling of what i was getting into i wouldn't have struggled as hard as i did to make the changes a permanent part part of my life.

You haven't spoken of your intention, but i implore you to seek out good stable resources for aftercare to help you integrate the experience into your life once you do apprehend it.

As has been said, there's always the possibility to peel some onions.

But apart from that, Virola Theiodora resin proved to be a viable resource for some,but good quality is hard to come by and sourcing ethics often bad (killing old trees, just for harvesting). Additionally it is already illegal in some countries...

Another option is to go the way of phalaris. Phalaris is IMHO actually a better way to get 5-MeO-DMT, than DMT, due to potency and due to fact, that you don't wanna do 5-MeO-DMT as frequent as DMT. But this project obviously needs some time...

The way with Anadenanthera peregrina you can mostly forget, as finding seeds really containing 5-MeO-DMT seems almost impossible. There's no way to distinguish the seeds of colubrina and peregrina.

The extraction is not that wild, and there are some guides in the threads here, mostly from 69ron, who doesn't have a good reputation due to the THH incident, but IMHO his experiences and findings regarding 5-MeoO-DMT are still mostly correct.

idk about reputations... i mostly trust his experiments and writings and I‘m gratefull for him sharing the knowledge

have SWIY tried the theiodora sublingual or the chali method? or other routes that he has described?
I haven‘t had much success with the sublingual method of theiodora but I‘m trying to improve my technique, just don‘t want to put full 5gramms in my mouth - I don‘t know where my sweetspot is for now - have tried around 700mg resin yet

I‘m sceptical about chali because of different literature - don‘t know how much is there

what‘s about phalaris? there are problems with toxins like hordenine and gramine perhaps and a few others.... growing shouldn‘t be that difficult - I can put all things I‘ve read together tomorrow or.... if other peoples are interested or should I say it will come to you in when you are ready... like what had the rc vendor situation 10 years ago with it comes to when you‘re ready.... it comes to you when you pay plus shipping time.... such a crap

But thanks to Banco, Metashaman and pete666
I know about the law problems so that would be the very last route to choose in far future... i will try maself as I supposed to be to do to be to do tudelu

I haven‘t read much in the 5meo forum because I thought there‘s not so much new but Bancopuma seems to be there and I have read some articles yesterday briefly about phalaris and even there is not much content in the whole forum the few threads are of good quality and the people there do good work I will try intergrate myself as far as I come further! Thanks for the advise, otherwise I wouldn‘t have come back to 5meodmt.org after the short advertise thread here some months ago

As you can read in the corresponding threads, these are not any problem, as they will be automatically separated during a normal extraction.

So red turkey phalaris maybe stressed and whatever before harvest is a valid source?

EDIT : Okay maybe the gramine and toxins stuff seperate, but is there any successfull report on phalaris arundinacea out there...???
Your statement about „needs some time“ states that it needs some time... or maybe it won‘t work...
Therefore someone would need to have a good analysis equip and lots of phenotypes of yugo red or turkey red and do the extraction in a short time after harvest... that sounds nearly like a full time project.

Has SWIY tried some teks about 5meo? or is experienced with administration of the compund?
Why you are sure that ron‘s statements about 5meo are correct? They sound logic right, but... ???
Much thanks!

I thought there were mixed reaction (some really bad) to the grass admixture as people had tried it in aya-like brews. Sounds like I haven't kept up with the times .

I am going to look for this, thank you for posting this information.

I think you speak about Appleseeds time and the stories in the ER.

First: There people did often only very crude extractions,or none at all.
Second: Even mixing pure 5-MeO-DMT into an aya-brew probably ends up for many in a disaster. (especially if you don't know the exact amounts)

I never claimed that hypothetically obtaining 5-MeO through the darkweb was risk free, but if experiencing 5-MeO in the form of Bufo is out of the question, then I'm just being honest in stating that I think obtaining pure synthetic 5-MeO is the only really viable option. I hope in the future there will be a reliable and consistent botanical source of 5-MeO and a viable way of extracting and isolating it from said source, but at the present time this appears to be lacking.

I'm here too. Petee666, without giving away any identifying info,could you elaborate on your case a little? We understand where the legality issues come in, but perhaps your learning experience could be one for us all.

I'm really encouraging OP to read between the lines, as i don't want to run afoul of rules here or elsewhere. But from what i understand, you will yes, need to peel some onions.


I'm not sure if I'm grokking you, but i truly am only trying to help you, I'm sorry if my methods aren't very helpful to you.

haha you were looking for the same for some time now... you could simply have mentioned this didn't know the thread because I thought phalaris isn't doable by now but only if someone has a dog I think

but the part with the analysis is still to do and the strains out there aren't probably all the same clones? how to verify if I have the right one?



you don't have to!
but that look between the lines and stuff is really more frustrating than anything else!
I look between the lines if you can tell me which lines
I know that this is all hard work and people shouldn't do playing with such substances easy like buying ice cream but I don't know why to make a secret out of this... if I would start cultivating and improving or analyzing you guys would be happy to know about it likewise

or just send me a PM ?! no foul!

EDIT2 : I think I'm starting to get it.... but there are again hundreds of pages nexus reading I have to take a pause or start with some practical stuff on that native brachys that is growing here all over the place... and I really hope that you weren't pointing to the orange trees
feel free to pm me anyway