What??? References please. I've never heard of such a case.

Maybe you are confusing it with MPPP. There are at least two drugs named MPPP. One is a stimulant, one is an opioid.

most dealers are stupid..I remember this one time dude was selling acid on the beach, he was showing off sheets of it(very stupid)..noone got off on it..one guy told me it felt like mild ephedra after eating like 6 hits..I was on mushrooms so didnt need acid and I dont buy synthetics..but a friend that bought 10 hits gave me and my other friend some while I was comming down and it definatily wasn't LSD..neither I or her felt anything other than maybe some stimulation for 30 minutes or so..then I fell asleap.

The one and only time I bought LSD was the first time I did it, and it was on an island in the middle of nowhere..me and my freind picked up a hitchhiker on our way back to our site after surfing, with tyedied jeans who was camping in the woods..all he had was a tarp, some bread and Tim Leary's version of the Tibetian book of the dead..and he was completely tripping balls. He got us to drop him off at some lake wayy out in the bush and said he was picking mushrooms..we offered to take him back to our campsite where we had food, firewood etc but he declined..said he was meeting people.

His acid was killer..always wondered what happened to that guy..he left a big bag of yerba mate in our car and I was drinking it for the next year or so..

This acid was real strong I took 2 blottes and was blown away, tripping in a gaint rainforest in the PNW away from people and society..I am glad that I had that experience for my first timewith acid becasue I dont know if i will ever buy it again..dont trust city folk.

True about dealers.

I always get into arguements with my friends dealers because they think because they sell drugs, then they know what they are talking about. I don't use dealers for anything but weed and that's not very often, but every now and then I'll be with a friend and they'll go to pick something up. This one time the guy was trying to convince us that pure MDMA is dark brown like cola... he didn't appreciate being laughed at. It just really angers me how these guys can get off on the lack of knowledge that surrounds psychoactives, just for their own personal gain.

LSD is the big taboo for me though, as you can't smell or see the stuff. I've tried it 2x and I think only once was it actually LSD (which was very nice) but the other time it was freakout city.

I agree with phlux's opinions one naturals vs synthetics that's for sure and among us folk here it's a no brainer, but I still find it strange that a good few of my friends trust "random pill number 197xC" more than momma's organically extracted mescaline. Need new friends me think

I dont even like buying mushrooms but I love them sooo much, I get paranoid thinking they could be bunk or laced with LSD etc....a friend just gave me a half ounce though and I tested the batch already and they are good so I'm set for a bit..need to grow my own again though..

I dont like buying cannabis at all either..it's all crap..crackles when it burns becasue its not organic and not flushed..and most just supports gang violence and heroin/cocain when you live in a port city.

Mushrooms and aya/admixtures are the only things I really pay for these days,..everything else is already growing..maybe some dried torch cus I dont want to start harvestinf mine yet. Cebil as well but working on getting that going as well.

No, i'm 95% sure this is atropin. When i was a kid i was stupid enough to experiment with datura. I immediately recognized the description.

But even if i'm wrong. This cannot be a proper research chemical.

The description of ismokecrystal is of a (mild) poisoning and not of a psychedelic intoxication. Even the shittiest RC doesn't fit these descrioption.

Nobody under the influence of any psychedelic or even dissociative would ever describe his state with the symptoms: blurred vision, impaired cognitive functioning, dry throat.

No tryptamine, phenethylamine, lysergic or dragonfly fit's this description. And for a dissociative you would expect a much more vivid description.

This is clearly NOT a psychedelic state, but the symptoms of a poisoning. I think tropanes, but in ANY case a poisoning.

There might be other candidates like some synthetic opiates, but they are as dangerous as tropanes if sold as acid.

If someone takes 5 blotters of atropin, or fentanyl, or other toxic....OD.

There was this undercover journalist who bought XTC pills everywhere and had them tested for some shitty TV-show. I think his name was something like alberto stegeman.
I didn't check it out. I was just shocked when i heard one of the contents was MPTP. it wasn't tfmpp.

How are you feeling now, any hangover.

I hope you are well man.

Effects were dimished enough to accomplish sleep around 10pm (t+14hrs) with mild headache this morning.
If anyone experiences something like this, smoking a LOT of ganja seemed to help. Then again, that's my cure for everything so take that advice with a grain of salt.

Cool, glad to hear your ok.

This sounds very much like hyoscyamine, atropine or some other tropane alkaloid. This class of alkaloids causes visual distortions (and true hallucinations if the dose is strong enough), mental confusion, and especially dry mouth and throat with the throat feeling tight (this is a very distinctive effect of tropane alkaloids), feeling disconnected with the body, euphoria, etc. All match what you described above. Oh, and also blurred vision, dilated pupils, and difficulty urinating.

You can fit 3000 micrograms of hyoscyamine on one thick blotter. That’s a lot. 1500 is the maximum safe dose for hyoscyamine. 10000 micrograms or more can kill an adult. Don’t take too many of those blotters. The amount needed for hallucinations is very close to the lethal dose, and it’s NOT pleasant. The hallucinations it causes look completely real, and the person seeing them cannot tell they are not real. It basically makes you temporarily insane. You talk to people that aren’t there. Walk around bumping into walls, trying to go up stairways that don’t exist, pee in your pants, walk outside in the middle of traffic thinking you’re on the beach, and do other bazaar dangerous things, you basically lose all touch with reality. I don’t think many people would enjoy it.

Can you give a description of what the blotters looked like, ismokcrystal?

If you are reluctant to inform the authorities, at least you could post warnings on the web for that type of blotter being sold in the NY area.

69ron agrees with me that this must be a tropane or a mixture of tropanes. I think this is for 95% certain. Nobody has come up with another candidate.
And if it would be another substance, it must be a poisonous deleriant as well since the symptoms are not those of a psychedelic trance but of a mild poisoning.

In other words: try to inform people that in the NY area, some blotter is being sold that contains a dangerous poison that's probably atropin or another tropane.
If not by informing the local authorities, than at least the apropriate forums on the web. Maybe the party you where has a website or something. The organisation could send e-mails to everybody who's been there and left an e-mail adres.

As soon as the word is out these blotters will, like infundibulum says, vanish. You can make sure that the word is out, before serious accidents or OD's happen.

69ron is right: a small amount can make the difference between the state of stonedness/drunkenness you experienced and a serious delirium.
When you discover that you've taken too much, it's often too late.
A dose that a man of 70 kilo's can take, would probably be deliriant and maybe lethal for a girl of just 40 kilo's.

Delirium kicks in icredibly fast. First your muscles become to weak to even hold a glass of water, wich happens quickly. At that time you are more or less helpless because calling an ambulance is difficult if holding a phone or dialing a number is difficult. And when this has happened within minutes after it started working, you slip into a state of total insanity. All of this takes place in less then 15 minutes after you notice the first effects.
Your muscles can become so weak that you simply stop breathing.

That's how dangerous it is having these blotters circulating and sold as LSD.

I'm very glad and releaved that you're OK. But i realy think that you should take some kind of action. Start warning people and give a description of waht these blotters look like.

blotters are cartoonish and 4 blotters make up one picture. There are many of these pictures per sheet. I remember some pink elephants or ant eaters or something

My friend whom was at the ny harvest fest traded for some tabs that sound exactly like the ones that you purchased I have informed him under no circumstances to eat them.

Is there perhaps a way to test for tropane alkaloids so we can figure out exactly what these are, this only reinforces my friends sense of a sinister air to the ny harvest fest.

Its a good thing you mentioned something as my friend may have ingested them and felt terrible.

Luckily he has some other tabs which he got from a good source he knew at the fest and perhaps we can test these other ones, its interesting too because he showed me them and I thought the blotter picture was odd looking and told him to wait on it and now come to find out they are bad, thank god for the nexus.

Thanks ismoke

Peace and love

a 1/2cm x 1cm piece of blotter paper can hold four mg's of DOM, so i'm sure just one piece of blotter paper can hold deadly amounts of tropane alkoloids

eh, bro. thats way crap.
www.pillreports.com for ecstacy info. i had great re-assurance by using this site when i used to take ecstacy with my friends. I would usually find out what pills we planned to take that weekend then find out how good they were and to make sure that its got no adulterated ingrediants.

he didn't trade a 5 pills (3 stars and 2 blue smurfs) for a 10 strip did he?

Pink elephants? that's cynical. Pink elephants symbolize alcohol deliriums.

It looks like the makers of it are like those aliens from tim burton's movie 'mars attacks': evil and with a dark sense of humour.

No he traded a slice of some ok bud for just 4 tabs (likes to collect different tabs)
But since bud at that fest is real cheap he just did it and in the end he wishes he had that bud back, if there is no way to test them my friend said he might take one just to check if the effects were the same and potentially notify ny authorities however his questions are:

1. is there a way to test for tropane alkaloids, and if so can you determine the amount present.
2. What is the best way to notify the authorities and would it help to annonymously send the tabs to a lab with a note, etc. presenting the case? is this risky? (perhaps with proper test results a lab would notify the ny authorities?)

Perhaps you and turtle ran into each other, but he doesn't trade his acid away usually just trades for it, and he only went there with bud and dmt not pills so I assume not, also many people love to trade for dmt after blasting off once they usually want more right away even though turtle explains how he extracts it etc. and that they could do the same. Anyways its nice to use currency other than the evil dollar with all its bad energy attachements, although the bad energy definitely leaks into the festival experience.

I begin to ramble......Anyways hopefully we figure this out and my friend would be most appreciative of any advice on his qustions numbered above, otherwise he may just eat them one at a time with to get rid of them, pending the first one doesnt make him sick. My friend has a passive attitude about strange things entering the body because as he says the government poisons us all the time, as do big coroporations why not gamble on something that may be his favorite substance? Not my viewpoint, too paranoid but its hard to argue with and believe me I have...

Peace and Love

Ever heard the saying "Hot as a hare, blind as a bat, dry as a bone, red as a beet and mad as a hatter"?

It sounds like you ingested one of the compounds from Datura, Brugmansia, Belladonna, or another one of the Baneful botanicals.

any analytical chemist can easily do this.



Yes that is very risky. You can't send tabs to the authorities and expect them to test them for you. They won't get back to you even if they did the analysis. The authorities don't give a f#ck about the safety of drug users.



Um your friend is playing a dangerous game.