Anyone else than me that thinks that when smoking a higher dose of pure white crystals that the experience is similar to a 5 meo experience?

Have you tried high doses of both?

If so, how would you compare them? What are the similarities and differences?

I’ve had some very deep DMT experiences, but haven’t had the good fortune to try 5-MeO yet. Based on experience reports here and elsewhere, they seem to have distinct effects.

not one teeny tiny bit, actually.

Yes I have.. They are different no doubt. But I think when smoking pure crystals (nn dmt) in higher dose the similarity of how to explain hrm: soul shattering phenonema into the white light sensory explosion...dying... life passesi n review.. not clear visuals, no meetings.. just the quick visit at god´s office and before your consciousness has been able to put the office pieces together you are back in your body and some minutes after you have no clue of what happend.. The same is for take off.. Instead of at least when I smoke 20-30mg nn dmt the mandala appears.. I go through it.. some guys hanging out looking down at me.. sometimes Genesha and friends.. but with higher and more pure stuff I somehow explode through this into some higher level which is hard to put to picture because the aint so much to comprehend.. wow this is difficult to explain haha...
The bodily sensations with 5MEO is unique I think.. nothing I experience with nn dmt.

Again different but similar in that way.. I get some Bufo this week so in a will go again with the magnifying glass!

Seems like a few people at higher doses DMT hit some similarities to 5-MeO-DMT. But it seems rare judging from trip reports and what I have seen. I have experienced very few similarities myself. But I haven't done crazy doses of DMT, breakthrough yes though. For me DMT is like it's generally described: much more visual than 5-MeO-DMT. And it feels safer and less powerful. Most days I'd be comfortable blasting off with DMT not so with 5-MeO-DMT.

I agree with everything you write.. but again I at least find more similarities with pure crystals in dosage 50mg+ (one big long toke).

I am never comfortable blasting off haha.. I am only comfortable when I am in space and have released the afterburner!

I have gotten to the light on high dose DMT before, but by no means has it been a consistent thing like with 5-MeO-DMT or high dose LSD.

@Eaglepath are you able to get there consistently on N,N?

I've only had 5-MEO once and it was, i would say, about 5 to 10mgs or so, felt like moderate effects, didn't feel too light or heavy or anything like that, i just felt the effects, didn't have much of an experience, but from what i felt, i definitely felt some similar feelings compared to DMT, though i mainly use oral DMT, only had smoked DMT using Changa but never pure DMT yet.

No and I agree there. It is not everytime I get there either.. High dosage lsd I do not have so much experience with..
So no it is not everytime.

It would also be interesting what people think of the comparison of synthetic 5MEO and the Bufo. Me for example has no experience with synthetic. And what I have heard and read people seems to have harder time with the synthetic one.

I think what is discussed here, is how to reach a full ego death.

In my experience, any of the stronger psychedelics can get you there, if the dosage is high enough. The same with DMT. But with DMT it is for most people just not possible to smoke enough in the needed timeframe, as many already struggle with the technique to smoke enough to get just to a BT.

5-MeO-DMT is IMHO just the easiest and most consistent way to get there.

Also my impression, but purely speculative:
According to my experiences, some psychedelics, e.g. like 5-MeO-DMT or higher dose LSD have a much higher ego-killing effect than other psychedelics I tried. I could think this is due to 5-MeO-DMT acting heavily on 5HT1, not 5HT2. Also LSD is quite a bit going on 5HT1 (LSD is basically like a sawed shotgun relating to receptor profile...). So my guess would be that could effect in a stronger ego dissolution property.

As I imagine the workings, leading to a full ego death, the brain gets receptor wise so destabilized until you get to the point, where the frontal cortex (where the ego construct resides) cannot work anymore properly and at a certain point cannot uphold anymore the self construct viewpoint. But the problem is, that also all the other parts of the brain got heavily destabilized, so that also a lot of other things don't function anymore correctly, which can lead up to total memory loss (Whiteout).

From my experiences it seems 5-MeO-DMT is much more specialized in just killing the ego, but letting the rest of the brain functioning more intact than on other substances. E.g. on shrooms the dosage distance between conscious full ego death an whiteout is much smaller for me. For people which hang on to their ego, and cannot accept to die, it seems, this even overlaps, so that they cannot get there conscious.

But this is all surely purely speculative.

I think the last part you wrote: "For people which hang on to their ego, and cannot accept to die, it seems, this even overlaps, so that they cannot get there conscious", is really interesting!

I have experience working with different persons with these medicines and depending on a persons what to call it: "spiritual enlightenment selfcontrol mindfullness level" haha... the experience is very different or actually similar to a similar sort of person. I do not know if this makes any sense but.. For example I have only workes with these medicines in a highly terepeutic way with tons of meditation on the side.. When I go into a trip I sort of press my mind through all the candy on the way(creatures, beautiful object, laguhter, crying, etc.. to reach higher.

I think a lot of people seems to be stuck on the way there, which is nothing wrong, it is pretty amazing as well it is similar to life.. stay in the focus or get lost in the distractions!

Also I have experienced the white light as you mentioned on mushrooms.. it was really frightening! Mainly due to the "earthly consciousness" but I could not move or see or anything.. I puked for three days after this..could be of some other factor as well, but the dosage of the mushrooms was very high.. above 50gr fresh.

Regarding what you are writing about people having difficulties smoking high dosage of nn dmt.. I only using the sandwich method now a days in a small pipe and it use to work fine.. I also work a lot with changa which is even more easy due to your own control of concentrate the leaves.. But changa do not get me to the white light.. It probably will if to increase the dosage a lot but... to be in the white light with maois... no no no.. to conscious and to long

Yes and no, as the effects are most unique unto themselves. The colors, patterns, inner sounds and vibrating tones are their own distinct magic. But in terms of fusing one's direct intent into the undifferentiated sea of limitless, nondual effulgence... then such shift in attention can be very similar to the voyager with either medicine molecule.

The complete activation of the Kundalini and the opening of the 3rd eye and higher crown region is quite the same, however, the same force ignites the soul ascension. Although, 5-MeO has so much power it's impossible to compare anything to it, at any dosing level. But any of the major psychedelics can shatter the ego-self, move one's awareness into higher and still higher frequencies of expanded conscious-awareness.

They have all taken me to the point of becoming undone as a solitary dreamer, wholly immersed within the blinding light of the Absolute. Savikalpa Samadhi can surely be triggered by the half dozen or so, primary psychedelics. That is, but of course, if the psychonaut is receptive to the mystical and is keenly focussed upon transcending any subjective quantification or mental descriptives.... and is willingly die (only to be reborn within the Infinite Grid, which rebirths the finite self anew).

That being said, vaporized NN-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are the quickest and most explosive vortices into the Godhead. Ultimately, oneself is superseded by the resplendence and indivisible effulgence of the Omniself. Even the One appears only to dissolve back into it's own insubstanciality and sheer, eternal emptiness. The Clear Light of the Void. Sunyata

LSD and 5-MeO-DMT definately share something special in common.

I kinda look at acid as a type of oral white light.

Interesting. I'm getting more and more curious about the toadstuff.