I have a question to fellow psychonauts.

My question is mainly about the experience itself but I'll also describe separation methods.

I cook MHRB @ 80C for at least 6hrs prior to basifying the solution and subsequent solvent extraction.

Basified extraction using Toluene performed at 60C yields a yellowing waxy substance. It's melting point is ~42C. Indicating quite a few impurities. This waxy DMT mix gives a standard DMT experience with a few exceptions. It's quite animalistic in nature and repetitive vaporization makes subsequent experiences more and more unpleasant. Kind of like aggression feeling from within. Hallucinatory shapes tend to 'bite' and 'growl' at me causing me to distance myself a bit from them. Due to that I'm not always able to relax and take in the experience in full.

If earlier described Toluene extract is purified using Heptane (heptane fraction decanted and evaporated at room temp) yielding white crystals with melting point @ 45C indicating pure DMT. Impossible to provide exact purity without spectra but I'm guessing >95%. This fraction is pure 'love' (for lack of a better word, I'm not too good with emotions). Blissfull DMT experience. Nothing more, nothing less. Visuals are a bit 'watery' (can't think of a better word, a blue pulsating tint of sorts) teeming with life.

The Toluene extract after removing DMT using heptane yields a dark red oily substance. Boiling point ~38C (low low...). Vaporizing this fraction even with 15mg gives a massively different experience from pure DMT. MASSIVELY different. Best way to describe it is that you're in the middle of the jungle torn between emotions of fear, anger and love. Visuals are extremely threatening at times and caused me to 'freak out' on my 1st try. I almost never freak out (my nickname was Mr. Stable). My higher brain functions are gone and I felt being a lizard running through an alien world full of fangs and talons. Running for my life basically...? I dare not vape more than 15mg right now... I still can't decide if it's a positive experience or not. I'd say somewhere in the middle. A natural balance of sorts...? Definitely not good, definitely not evil.

What are your experiences using different fractions? Does anyone have links to spectra perhaps? I find it extremely difficult to find concrete data and am fascinated by the final fraction. I'm guessing there are at least several other hallucinogens in MHRB with potency far greater than pure DMT (in my case at least).

Thanks!

Ps. If I wake up in the middle of the night following vaporizing full spectrum Toluene MHRB extract I am hallucinating for a brief moment while sitting in my bed (I am the kind of person than can do math if woken up in the middle of the night so I am certain of the fact that I am hallucinating). As if the dream world and real world were getting mashed up together for some reason. I never had this with pure DMT. Did anyone else experience this?

If you haven’t found it already, i recommend reading this thread.https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27724 There is some analysis data available in it. Specifically what you are looking for:


Keep in mind that the various other plant product accompanying the extracted tryptamine, besides that it could be active and synergise with dmt ( e.g the case of beta carbolines), which could in a sense be what is happening actually, it could as well facilitate a more rapid/violent vaporisation of the spice, to the point that it could burn it, delivering in turn a more hard hitting negative experience. A lot of dmt is actually trapped within plant fats, oils and whatnot and it is significantly denser than purer xtal form. Why i don’t know. Maybe it is very soluble in these plant sourced lipids? It’s just a hypothesis.. but my conclusion is that it would be either just dmt in the form of an oil (does not necessarily need to form xtal/dmt as found in plants is an oil ) that is very concentrated and heat sensitive, or there could be the synergy that plays the bigger role... though i’d lean towards the first option since “impurities” in mhrb are quite sparse to get a proper active dose... but these are just my hypothesis. I’m sure more factual data exists that could be interpreted on what exactly is causing those effects.

That's an interesting post, I didn't see it before. Will have a detailed read later on. That TLC plate brings back a lot of memories ;-)

I think there's more than just synergy at play here. This mysterious mix after removing DMT is way too strong. I think it's due to another psychedelic becoming more concentrated. I'm starting to wonder if MHRB may contain 5-MeO-DMT... I never tried this compound but this may explain the potency (5-MeO-DMT solubility should be similar to DMT raising questions about solvent separation of these two). 2nd option I can see is that I am very sensitive to some compound present in the bark . One person's experience isn't exactly an accurate and valid representation of the whole... :-P Not to mention there may be several plant species on the market or simply significant differences within one species. Harvesting season or soil type may also play a part.

Right now I'm on my 3rd hot heptane (60C) extraction in order to remove as much DMT from the full Toluene extract as possible. I'm also dissolving the mysterious fraction in IPA and letting it dry overnight to break down any leftover plant cells. Each heptane pull and subsequent IPA wash results in more and more 'oily' fraction with very few visible DMT crystallization grains. I'll keep on going a few more times and post a few pics then.

When finished I'll try vaping 10-15mg again. Just need to get the courage first. I did not expect such a strong effect when I tried for 1st time. It was absolutely insane to say the least... All of my DMT trips so far (>30) don't even come close.

It's a shame such fascinating substances are banned and usually viewed negatively... :-(

Edit.

Now I'm completely lost and stand corrected. After 4 hot heptane extractions and removing vast majority of DMT (wasn't actually that much DMT left) the extract lost a lot of it's potency (just tried 15mg). It's synergy or I messed up something... Wouldn't be the 1st time ;-)

Will need to try again another day it looks like...

If anyone has links to analyses of MHRB extract please share.