It's been a while since i visited the USA.
I get mixed information about it's current situation.
In the european media, the far-right facsists, who compare obama to hitler and show up at places where that he visits with machineguns, seem to dominate.
I have read on many american newssites that are not known to be far-right (like yahoo) many posts from people who actually, openly say that they would want obama dead or they would like to kill him.
I have read posts of people calling him a 'black devil', etc.

This is confusing to me.
Is the situation in america actually this bad?
Are the far-right fascists that big?
Is there a chance that obama actually get's killed within the next view years?

I dont know about the states..but I live in canada(I concider that america)..but lots of people here like him, lots dont...

I dont like him but that's just me. Not that i think he's evil..I just dont like him as president..not that much changed really from where I stand..

There are certain things that I thought would change whenhe got into the white house..but they did not. For one thing I thought they would leave Marc Emery alone...yet they are actaully extraditing this man...the US continued to blackmail this man..dropping charges on Greg Willimas and Michelle Rainey and leaving them alone if he let them take him..

Michelle Rainey has chrons disease, she needs cannabis to get through the day..both her and greg williams did amazing things for the medicinal cannabis movement here..and so has Marc Emery...anyone who has met these people, sat down and smoked with them(me included) knows how harmless and these people are..and how much they really do care about sick people..

The whole thing against them was pushed foreward origionally becasue of Bush..I thought obama would leave these harmless people alone..but he isn't really..even though other seed vendors operate all the time without any troubles from the US or threats of US extradition.

Becasue of that alone I dont trust him. He just does not stand for freedom.

In the media...yes.

And it is sad that there are actually people who buy into all the bullshit hype that those right-wing media militants have been pushing since the first day he was in office, like a new face is going to turn around the hundreds of years of issues separating the have's from the have-not's over night or something.
I think I remember those same people calling everyone who didn't support Bushes war propaganda, unpatriotic just a few short years ago.


The whole political mess has just turned into a bad TV show over here in the USA.
And the general population of morons eat it up whole!!
The disgusting part is that the people on that TV show are still actually in control of our country & huge influence over the world.
What you see on the TV show, very rarely has much to do with the truth...just one sides spin on the situation, depending which "news" ( ) channel you are listening to.
And both the Left & Right "wings" are guilty of this.
It's plain gross.

I listen to news reports from both the Rep & Dem sides & immediately throw out any information in a report that the two parties are giving opposite sides of.
I have to assume that both are just spinning their agenda at that point, so neither side can be trusted, or listened to IMO.
Whats left of a report after that, is all I will bother listening to, but unfortunately, in most cases that doesn't leave much substance to the report at all.


Our Govt is in a truely sad state.



BTW fractal enchantment, don't you think there are a few more important issues on the presidents plate right now, than one individuals MJ seed case?
Ya know like the 2 wars we are involved with & shouldn't be...the innocent people dying daily in those wars, on both sides...the declining state of the world's economy...etc.
Not only that, there are laws on the books, that would have to be permanently dealt with to change drug laws, that kind of thing does not happen over night. And there is more opposition to that kind of change than there is support for it...in the real world.

I myself believe that MJ being illegal is absolutely ridiculous!!! It's being illegal is way more harmful than it is helpful!! Except to the large number of people who make millions of $$'s a year off of the fines paid, bribes, kickbacks, ect... that go along with the black market sale of drugs & the industry built around dealing with that sale/use.
Would you want that huge income taken away from you if you where in the receiving position? Would you allow it to even become an option?
Most people would say: "well if they where legal, they would be taxed"
Taxing legal drugs is not the same thing, because that $$ would have to be regulated. Right now, it is not so much.

Still, I also realize that kind of change (especially Govt change) takes time!
There is no magic piece of paper to sign, that all of a sudden makes everything...you like...legal.
There are multiple national laws...there are multiple state laws...there are the decades of lies that where forced into the heads of the general public since grade school, that drugs are extremely dangerous & you are a bad person if you take them. Even the people taking drugs have issues with that one fucking up their heads!

Please just remember, our little chemically enhanced community is only a tiny, tiny percentage of the worlds population!!
The rest of them do not have the personal experiences that we have to show them how they've been lied to, with hands on proof.
And they make up the majority of the earths population!!!


WS

That's very sad to hear and also very scary. I cannot believe that this cultivation of hate is harmless. i'm affraid that indeed someone will try to assasinate obama or that there will be more 'oklahoma incidents'.
Also these civil militia's are frightening me.
Here in europe there are only a few places where you have civil militia's, wich are northern ireland, euskaria (basque region) and the former yugoslavia.
Not the nicest places to live.
How stable would you say america is?

Over all it's as stable as ever really...at least the people are!

I've seen no militias...that is probably being way over hyped in the international media.
The economy is definitive effecting the lives of the general population, more than anything else, but life goes on as usual for the most part.


WS

does anyone here even have faith AT ALL in these party politics?

I dont think ANYTHING will change from one man being elected..it's a pipe dream.. completely rediculous..not realistic..I guess it's not that i dont trust obama..it's that i dont trust the US government any more simply BECAUSE of Obama.

The only thing that is going to bring about real change is a complete idiologic shift..and that includes they way politics work, governments are run etc...this dualistic system we have is nothing more than a distraction...sure it might hold certain things together for now they way they are..becasue there is so much political tension around the globe..but ultumitaly it just represents us walking around in circles.

I have no faith in any aspect of my country. I can't wait until I get a degree, I'm going down south, and by down south I mean South America

It's all the same as it's always been and it always will be.

Sadly, I've lost faith in my country.

Right wing, left wing, Dem, Rep, they're all really the same. Stuffy guys in suits, taking money from lobysts and doing their bidding. All wanting to control us in some way.

It's truly sad. The D. E A is a terrorist organization that have ruined many good peoples lives but no one dares to speak out openly against them. The president, by not changing the way they operate, has let them continue to get increadable amounts of taxpayer money to raid, pilage, threaten, coerse, and gerneally terrorize anyone that might have ANY connection to illegal drugs.

The president: it doesn't matter who's in the White House, Obama has proved this. The large picture never changes. Ever. One of the online talks that the American people wanted (and had with Obama) was about the legalization of MJ, that says something, but as usual our president doesn't dare touch it...talking about drugs in any positive light is political suicide.

Do I hate Obama, no, he's a breath of fresh air after the bumbling idiot that was previosuly in the White House, but is he a great president doing great things, sadly I don't think so.

At some point my wife and I want to leave this country, though I doubt any country we would want to live in would take Americans.

Jesus, people. Cut the guy some slack. He's been in office a whole nine months. The global damage done by the previous administration may well take 100 years or more to fully repair.

Barack Obama has got just a little bit more on his plate right now than weed or entheogen reform. Let's try to be grownups and look at the bigger picture for a moment. He's inherited an unprecedented clusterfuck on just about every level - and again, he's had nine whole months now to fix things...

This ain't Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Even the most powerful man on the planet is bound by working within the system, and every move he's made thus far has been blocked and countered by GOP politics.

dude, drugs are a fucking huge thing..what on his plate really is bigger? Do you understand the politics of drugs these days? How much all these terrorist organizations are funded by illigal drugs like heroin and cocain? ]

Look how the prison system has become a huge money making industry by making every damn drug illegal so that half the population are basically criminals in the eyes of the DEA..wasting tax dollars so all these innocent people can sit behind bars..

Thinking that it's such a small thing as you make it out to be is naive..it goes farther thanjust kids smoking weed and people wanting legal LSD.

The drug war is the cause of a huge chunk of human oppression around the globe..you would think that it would be the FIRST thing anyone in they'r right mind would fix..

Legalize heroin and cocaine and drop the value of it..there goes all the terrorist funding from the middle east..

legalize druge use here and liek magic watch the prison system free up and peoples tax dollars actaully go towards something useful..like REAL drug rehab programs instead of government run methadone dealers..

Watch as all of these drug-funded gangs look helplessly for some other thing to pay the bills..

You need to look back into history, study anthropology or soemthing and look at how human culuture has ALWAYS been dictated by the use of certain psychoactive plants and who controlls them....coffee, tobbacco, alcohol etc..look at how much money the government brings in from these things still today..

Whoever it is that has controll of these things basically has controll over the entire culture we live in..it's sick. I cannot think of anything more important right now than the drug issue. People like to dumb it down making it sound all simple as if we need to "grow up" and stop complaining about minor things..as if the drug war and it's repercussions are a minor thing..that's a fucking joke.

Yep. Bush had 8 years, 6 of which he could pass any legislation he wanted to hook up his rich buddies. Obama hasn't even had a year and the entire time the Republicans in DC and via their media outlet, FOX, have been doing anything and everything to make him fail.

When a guy like Limbaugh or Beck says that he wants Obama to fail, and the task presented to Obama has been to fix the economy and get the country on the right track, then it's saying that the lives of human beings in this country are not as valuable as their twisted political ideology.

^dude, noone is blaming Obama..

do you actaully think he HAS THE POWER to change a damn thing though?..i dont. Wow, a president who cares..in the US that's like a needle in a haystack.

Talk to the Cali dispensaries that aren't being raided any more and ask if they think nothing has changed.

FE - Many of your points are sound. I'm no proponent of the war on drugs. I take every bit as dim a view on it as you do, in point of fact. But try to understand that this is just one of MANY, MANY seemingly bottomless problems this particular president has to contend with. For you to suggest that he's somehow aimless or ineffective because he hasn't put it ahead of two DISASTROUS inherited wars, the worst economy since the great depression, an overhaul of the healthcare system and battling global warming, is a bit of an over simplification, wouldn't you say?

TG - Touche, indeed. Rome wasn't built in a day.

The media tends to focus on large groups of idiots yelling really loud. I wouldn't let it be a reflection of the entire countries attitude. Although there has been an outpouring of hate towards Obama most of it is conceived in ignorance and certainly doesn't represent everyone. I think the major wackos are still a minority.

Concerning the drug war I think we are going to see some changes in the near future. The decision to not interfere with dispensaries that operate within state law is a very big policy shift although it might not seem like too little too slow. I think Obama understands the drug war and is trying to carefully approach the situation. In the current political atmosphere that is probably the best way to approach it. Slowly and shift the decision to states so it can't all be blamed on one party etc. I am confident we are going to slowly start to see more changes in this direction.

America is such a complex nation, seen from this side of the atlantic.
Places like massachusets, new york, california, illinois are so incredibly modern and cosmopolitic. A place like san-fransisco is so liberal and open minded.
There are so many great thinkers and musicians and so on, coming from the states.

And then there is the bible-belt and there are these fox-news watching, KKK members. People who by just their personality embody high bloodpressure and hemroids.

Problem is that some fascists are so fanatical that it seems they won't stop until they've destroyed everything they could.
Figures also show that far-right violence like attacks on abortion clinic's is on the rise.

What would happen if obama would get shot? Would america collapse into a civil war?

Yes I agree..to blame Obama for one thing is rediculous..I dont blame him. I just dont think he has the ammount of power to change things the way some people expect him to. America is a huge infastructure..one man alone is not a big enough army..

The fact that all these weirdo political groups basically bitch about everything he says is what I am talking about. America is not one man..it is all of america..all the businesses, all of the policatal bullshit etc..I dont know how Obama can really change that himself working within the structure that was built before he got there..

The real problems are idiological ones..and it's going to take the entire society to change them.

For what it's worth..I do see some good changes to even out all the bad...people are waking up a bit to the reality of out situation..so that gives me some hope.

I dont believe in all the doomsday crap I hear about with Obama as the anti-christ..just never jived with my particular experiences.

I have faith that change will come..just hope it's sooner than later.

When you're surrounded by so much exposure to something, you tend to believe that it makes up a big part of it. It's a common illusion, ask yourself this, how many people is out there, how many views is the media you're watching giving? It's usually very obscured, and seeks ratings, not truth. And, the news is just the same as any other webssite/tv show/book etc., it does NOT by any means have to be TRUTHFUL. You watch the news and they set it up in a way for it to be truthful(they hold papers(dont they have an electronic procter for their lines?), they give you a "live on the scene" etc. etc. NOW if you were to watch cartoons, and they're sitting in a box throwing poop at eachother and telling you that obama is the devil..its a matter of perception. and for the most part, if you don't go around those places that are targeted towards proving x, you dont even notice x.