I hear that the tryptamine derivatives in Panaeolus cyanescens from Australia, Hawaii and Thailand were investigated. All of the collections contained psilocin, serotonin and urea. Those from Hawaii were also relatively rich in psilocybin, whereas the species from Australia and Thailand were virtually exempt of this compound. I'll be growing the hawaiian, Jamaican and Australian strains this year. Although its the same species of mushroom a few of these stains seem to have a different alkaloid profile. I was wondering if you guys would like a review of these 3 strains of Pans ? I'll experiment with different temperatures and substrates. I'll also be doing extensive agar work to get maximum yields. The Australian strain will be perfect for 190 proof everlear extractions because of it being a psilocin strain. Study's show that psilocin is more soluble in ethanol than psilocybin. Ill be making tinctures with a magnetic stirrer and perfecting the PH level for long time storage. Is this something you guys would like to see? Very few people talk about the differences between these strains so i felt it would help the community. It's going to take a lot of work and time. Thanks

Wow, cool.
I've always suspected different strains of shrooms to differ in potency and alkaloïd profile though.
Growing conditions may play a role as well ofcourse, but i've always found liberty caps from the UK much more potent than the ones that grow in my area, in holland.

Yeah there's definitely differences between these strains. I think its amazing how nature made a mushroom full of psilocin . I'm surprised more people dont grow it.

My only experience with Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens so far has been with the "Hawaiian" strain...it is my favourite species/strain of any mushroom I've sampled so far, on account of it reliably and consistently producing a very clean, clear, crystalline, lucid, colourful and visionary state of bemushroomed consciousness, with much less body load and a much less anxiety prone come up than Psilocybe cubensis...the difference for me in experiential qualities between these species is consistently highly distinct. I think people who don't think there are any phenomenological differences between psilocybin mushroom experiences likely lack much experience with these two species.

The Hawaiian strain of Panaeolus cyanescens contains a particularly high psilocybin/psilocin ratio...this is advantageous in that psilocybin is a much more stable molecule than psilocin which is much more prone to oxidation, so for long term storage, high psilocybin strains are better, whereas high psilocin containing strains you would likely be better off ingesting fresh (although you make an interesting point about the solubility of psilocin in alcohol). The grower who taught me to grow this species stated that they retained potency much better on drying and for longer term than P. cubensis, which is a big plus (and also that their spore prints remained viable for longer when refrigerated).

My own hunch is that the differences between Panaeolus cyanescens strains is greater than that found between different strains of P. cubensis, and I for one would be interested to hear what you make of them...all the best with the growing!

I have a feeling that the Hawaiian strain is still higher in psilocin than it is with psilocybin. Ive seen you say it was higher in psilocybin before but i haven't seen any study's showing this. The reason its so clean/smooth is because of it being a high psilocin species of mushroom. I've only seen 2 people claim that the hawaiian strain was better so i dont necessarily believe that. The people that claim that the other strains are dark probably took to much and couldn't handle the psilocin. You have to remember that psilocin is basically a oral form of DMT. Your body doesn't have to break anything down so the psilocin hits you all at once. This species of mushroom is probably more dmt like than ayahuasca because there isn't any maoi changing the experience. If dmt was somehow orally active by it self it would probably feel just like Panaeolus cyanescens. This is a special species but there just isn't enough research on it. I wonder if someone on the nexus could test the psilocin to psilocybin ratio of these 3 strains? I would send some to be tested but im sure its expensive. The australian strain is probably the best strain for everclear extractions and that would help a lot of people that get sick off of mushrooms. The jamaican seems to produce an even pinset with an abundance of uniformly sized and shaped fruits so it's probably going to be the best to grow over all. I guess I'll find out lol. Im not sure if I'll be posting my research on the nexus because i can't send private messages or post under mushrooms? I understand that the traveler wants the nexus to be troll free but what does private messages have to do with anything? Basically no one replied to my post or talked to me on chat so i don't feel very welcomed . I'll probably be posting most of it on https://forums.psychedelia.space.. They seem to be very welcoming over there and really nice .. I'll have pictures and a lot of other information so check it out ...

Hey dude, you're right, I just checked out the study I think you're referring to (linked below)...while the "Hawaiian" strain didn't contain more psilocybin than psilocin, it contained a higher proportion of psilocybin than any other of the regional strains analysed.

http://repository.naturalis.nl/document/569927

The guy whose guide I used to grow this species/strain obtained the spores from the now defunct spore vendor Pacifica Exotica Spora, based in Hawaii. He obtained spore prints from what were sold as Copelandia cyanescens, and Panaeolus cyanescens. These days mycologists don't recognise a difference between these genera (although I heard recently that some Panaeolus may have been re-classified as Copelandia). There does seem to be some degree of uncertainty or gulf between what genetic studies claim, and the views of growers...for example, according to recent genetic analyses, P. mexicana, P. galindoi and P. tampanensis are all sub-strain variants of P. mexicana. But growers notice differences between grow times, sclerotia potency and yield, appearance, and potency of the mushrooms etc. Anyway, this guy grew out was sold as Copelandia cyanescens "Hawaiian" and Panaeolus cyanescens "Hawaiian". In his own experience sampling the mushrooms, the Copelandia were his all time favourite psychedelic, while he found the Panaeolus to be unpleasant, being dark and overly intense. He also found that the Copelandia was higher yielding (40g fresh mushrooms per 100g of dungy rice) in comparison to the Panaeolus (10g fresh mushrooms per 100g of dungy rice). He also found the Panaeolus mycelium was weaker and contaminated more quickly than the Copelandia. Just one person's experience I appreciate, but I found the substantial difference he reported in terms of growing and experiential effects between what would now be considered to be the same species/strain to be interesting. Panaeolus spp. in general seem to be quite polarising...some people really cherish them, funding them a very clean, smooth and euphoric, fun experience, while others have reported highly uncomfortable, dark and overly intense experiences. This of course could very well be down to external set and setting factors, but I'm open to the possibility that other compounds in the mushroom may modulate the experience to some degree.

I don't think you can miss, personally! What I would also find interesting is how this species compares to Panaeolus cambodginiensis. All the best with your grow projects and experimentation, I'll be interested to hear how you get on...I can personally highly recommend both Shroomology and Mycotopia forums if your looking for a more shroomy forum vibe with nice peeps who know their stuff.