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pastanostra
#1 Posted : 2/14/2018 4:41:56 AM

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Hello,

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We tried this :

Soak powdered bark in a bit of water during 1h
Add Sodium carbonate (a bit more tthan bark in weight)
Mix to have a paste, let sit 1h
Put IPA on your paste then mix.
Take your IPA and filter.
We filtered 3 times and got nice result.

You can see also the Q21Q21 drytek.

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#2 Posted : 2/14/2018 7:02:01 AM

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This should work, but yield maybe affected. you can try to freeze it and try to broke more in fine particle

Maybe you can try an AB with vinegar, it should help breaking the bark (as Q21Q21 tek)
The more your bark is powdered, the more surface area between chemical occurs.

You can see in the link provided the result we had after many hours of drying.
It's a very potent extract from acacia simplex. We ended with solid extract, it was not solid for everybody...
A small story, with my wife and a friend rolled a join in a small rolling leave (for cigaret not long OCB or whatever), we charged too much the splif, we took 3 toke each, and could not go more, we were surprinsingly / pleasantly astonished, and after the experience, we saw that we smoked less than 2cm of the join ! At 3 people !!! Thumbs up

At this time didn't tried to vape it in the machine, because of residu while burning, but you can, just be aware that it will soot your pipe, and washing is needed after smoking.


Another interesting thing is the fact you can, in your IPA pull, put leaves, herbs or weed, for regular smoking (join), we tried it and it was very nice, for the effect, and the taste (enhanced leave)

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dreamer042
#3 Posted : 2/15/2018 4:19:20 PM

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This will work for both MHRB and ACRB.

You will either need to start with powdered material and mix it with your soda carb, adding water and mixing to a paste consistency to allow the freebasing reaction to take place, then allow it to dry before making your IPA pulls.

Or

If you start with shredded material you will want to do 3x30 minute boils combine the water from all three boils and reduce to a resin, then mix this resin with soda carb and water to make a paste, allow to dry and pull with your IPA

A simple base and pull with leave you with a very crude alkaloid product that's not really suitable for smoking as is, so you'll want to do at least one acid step and convert back to freebase. This process is outlined in Endlessness's ethanol tek (just replace Ethanol with IPA, everything else will be the same).

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#4 Posted : 2/15/2018 9:28:24 PM

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I've never come across arm and hammer super washing soda that contained dyes or additives, what I've seen was pure sodium carbonate in a yellow box that was nearly identical to the orange baking soda box. Of course always be sure to check the ingredients.

The best way to ensure purity and food safety is to convert baking soda.

It's a good idea to do smaller extractions of 100 grams of bark or so at a time to avoid those kind of large losses and being mindful that this forum is focused on personal scale use.
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#5 Posted : 2/15/2018 10:16:24 PM

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The msds for Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda shows 85% sodium carbonate and 15% water. AFAIK sodium carbonate is quite hygroscopic which would limit the feasibility of a stable shelf product at 100%, especially once the package has been opened. I'd certainly double check if you have any concerns, however.



Edit: Bark solution should darken when a strong base is added Thumbs up


Edit#2: Of course, Dreamoar already gave a much better answer Thumbs up
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#6 Posted : 2/15/2018 11:10:07 PM

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I would also suggest using 99% IPA rather than the lesser percentage varieties.

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#7 Posted : 3/6/2018 7:39:52 PM

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pastanostra wrote:
Hello,
Soak powdered bark in a bit of water during 1h
Add Sodium carbonate (a bit more tthan bark in weight)
Mix to have a paste, let sit 1h
Put IPA on your paste then mix.
Take your IPA and filter.
We filtered 3 times and got nice result.


From personal experience (and from everything I've read!), Sodium Carbonate is not soluble in IPA. So, at the end of this, you will be left with all the excess Sodium Carbonate. Do you simply not care, or is there something I'm missing?

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#8 Posted : 3/7/2018 7:54:11 AM

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Hello,

When your paste of sodium carbonate + bark + water is completly dry, it's time for pulling.
Put your IPA / Ethanol, let soak, stir, soak, then pour your IPA in your jar.
Let it decant (the solution become clearer) then filter. The residue was put in the basic paste mix.
The filtrat was decanted / filtered 3 times, it seemed enough.
In our baking dish (with basic paste mix) there are still bark and sodium carbonate that are mixed.
Let evap your IPA pull and you'll have crude extract (that can be used for enhanced leaf or change nicelly) or as downward say's, you can get a purer extract doing an AB with vinegar.
 
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#9 Posted : 3/7/2018 6:55:30 PM

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Just make sure to filter really well like pastanostra said, or purify further as downwardsfromzero suggested (or both), because the main problem I've had with this tek is too much sodium carb in with my DMT.

I am pretty sure now that I didn't filter it as well as I should have.
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#10 Posted : 3/9/2018 2:11:35 PM

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pastanostra, thank you for the detailed step-by-step. Turns out I was totally misunderstanding something, but your response clarified this immediately. Thanks!
 
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What type of filter is used in these steps?
 
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#12 Posted : 3/16/2018 3:40:53 PM

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ListenPlease wrote:
What type of filter is used in these steps?

A cotton wool plug stuffed lightly into the neck of a funnel is pretty good.




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