Hello

I am interested in methods of adding vine extract to some leaf.

I have two feasible solvents, 99.99% acetone or 96% ethanol.
I also have 2g of enhanced leaf (enriched using the acetone)

My thoughts are I could use the ethanol to add ~300mg of harmalas to 1g of the enhanced leaf I have.

Alternatively I could make some more leaf with fresh product (already extracted, cleaned and purified).

e.g. 1g crystal, 1g leaf, 300mg vine extract.

My questions are:

1) Are there any advantages/disadvantages in relation to quality of product if I changify the enhanced leaf retrospectively. My instinct says no but perhaps I am overlooking something.

2) If I go down the route of creating another batch am I right in thinking the best method would be to dissolve 300mg of harmalas followed by 1g of spice in approx 50ml of ethanol. Add leaf to solution and evap/dry.

3) Could I do 2) just as effectively using acetone instead? I have a acetone and very little ethanol, as it's nigh impossible to get at that purity. I am hearing mixed opinions about harmalas solubility in acetone.

Additional:

Following the Easy Caapi Extraction Guide (https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Easy_Caapi_Vine_Alkaloid_Extraction_Guide)

4) How feasible is it to substitute lye with sodium carbonate?

I wouldn't want to do it like that but it should work just fine. (I'm a little OCD and would fear messing the DMT:HERB ratio up)
Honestly though, it should work just fine, just be sure to agitate the mix regularly as it dries.
May I suggest making a separate batch for now that is just harmalas infused into a carrier leaf? This would allow more control over the harmala dosage as well as allow re-dosing DMT without adding more harmalas into the mix. It could also serve to allow you to find your personal harmala sweet spot. I liked my mixes harmala heavy however it made redosing a challenge as I quickly hit a point where it went from heavy to too much.

>My favorite way of making changa was to add 500mG of Mullein to a shot glass
>Add the DMT on top (for me, 500mG)
>Pour just enough acetone on it to get the DMT to dissolve
>Add the harmalas on top (for me, 250mG)
>Pour enough acetone to completely cover the mix
>Stir the mix frequently as the acetone evaps
>Let sit for a few days to evap all the acetone
>Put in sealed container for an hour then open and smell to check for remaining acetone
>If no acetone smell, let sit a few more hours just in case, if acetone smell let sit open overnight and repeat previous step

A warning with the acetone vs IPA/ethanol is that harmalas do NOT like dissolving in acetone. With my mullein based changa, it caused the harmalas to stick to the fuzz in the leaf very well but not infuse into it. I made have a picture here somewhere.

As for the fourth question, I believe it should work however I would wait for someone to confirm. Is NaOH unobtainable where you are or do you simple not want to use it?

I like that idea of a pure harmala leaf although it will make it hard to keep dosing consistent and require mental agility.

A large part of the appeal of Changa is the simplicity.


I have both sodium hydroxide and sodium carbonate good to go. I'd rather use the carbonate for this though unless it's notably less effective.

I just finished drafting a full reply. Just woke up and had to get my thoughts together.
Also attached an image showing how my changa always turned out with the process I described for how I make mine.

300mg is perfect imo/ime. I'm kind've biased because that's the amount I've always used roughly, some others here use around that amount of harmala also.

And probably best to use the 96 % ethanol, harmalas do a better job dissolving. I've used warm 99% isopropyl before and it worked 'ok', but high proof ethanol works better [190 proof everclear in my case].





I guess the advatages/disadvantages would depend on the person, but I prefer a light-harmalad changa over freebase. Many here prefer the opposite, so hard to gauge I guess. I've seen some unique blends here. But I find that at around 280-300mg harmalas added to enhanced leaf opens up that initial windows, comes on a bit slower, not by much ime though. slows the realm down a bit. Some say it makes the experience more colorful, vibrant, more grounded, very emotional. I'd say I've experienced similar.




Yup




Yeah acetone's never worked out well for me with harmalas. If at all possible use the high % ethanol.





Idk, I don't think that sod carb would dissolve too well. Best to use lye per that tek.

Yeah I read around a bit and saw you pointing to that number. I've smoked a few different blends and always found enhanced leaf to work a charm whereas MAOI heavy stuff I'm not so certain of so I thought keep it on the low side sounds reasonable.

Also just noticed my mistake, to keep to that ratio I would need to do use 150mg to 1g of the enhanced leaf, or 300mg to the whole 2g batch.

I will use the lye to basify the caapi extract, I hadn't considered sodium carbonates solubility.

If you are doing 1:1 dmt:herb for your enhanced leaf, then yeah I usually do 300mg per 1g dmt. So yeah if your blend was 2g of 1:1 then yeah 150mg harmalas per 1g of your blend.

Heating the alcohol by putting the vessel containing it into a bowl of hot water before adding harmalas helps them dissolve. I like lots of harmalas, but find a 1:1:1 mixture too sticky and hard to light, so now make 1:1:2, harmalasmt:herbs which works well for long low dose sessions.