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Hey everyone. I'm pretty new, but I'm grateful to be here in such an awesome community!  I noticed a change in the chemical structure of yuremamine on the Wikipedia page. It's quite a drastic change from the original proposed structure, and appears to be a catechin-like compound bound to DMT. Just wanted to point this out, I'm not sure if it's already been discussed but I didn't find anything with the search function. Wiki Page
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The structural 'change' is not so drastic. All the pieces are still there! We just have a C-O bond instead of a C-N bond. Looks like this has been known for a good couple of years now. Still, thanks for pointing out this interesting snippet  “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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downwardsfromzero wrote:The structural 'change' is not so drastic. All the pieces are still there! We just have a C-O bond instead of a C-N bond.
Looks like this has been known for a good couple of years now. Sorry, I didn't know this. The Wikipedia page was just updated on December 14th with the new chemical structure.  To me this seems like a pretty drastic change in structure... from this:  to this:  . For example, there's no pyrolidinyl ring in the second structure. The second one is a flavonoid, and the former structure isn't. Can you elaborate on what you mean?
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This article's discussion of the discrepancies of the structures of synthetic and biosynthetic yuremamine may be able to (partially/mostly) answer your questioons.'"ALAS,"said the mouse, "the world is growing smaller every day. At the
beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad
when at last I saw walls far away to the right and left, but these long walls have
narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner
stands the trap that I must run into." "You only need to change your direction," said
the cat, and ate it up.' --Franz Kafka
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Posts: 8617 Joined: 30-Aug-2008 Last visit: 07-Nov-2024 Location: square root of minus one
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tryptan wrote:Can you elaborate on what you mean? Certainly: I've rotated the new structure and placed it alongside the previous one to make the resemblance easier to discern. The carbon atom (labelled 'A' ) that was attached to the indolic nitrogen in the former structure is in fact attached to the oxygen atom (labelled 'B' ) to make up the pyran ring of the flavanoid portion of the revised structure.  downwardsfromzero attached the following image(s):  Yuremamine alteration.jpg (19kb) downloaded 27 time(s). “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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