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Bufotenin body load Options
 
CactiOfLight
#1 Posted : 12/21/2017 1:03:17 AM
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As I'm sure everyone who has experienced it can tell you bufotenin has a fairly nasty body load. Personally I've found it to be a rather profound psychedelic however the body load lasting well into the peak really distracts you from the experience. Does anyone have any advice to make the body load less overwhelming? I'm using a Anadenanthera colubrina snuff made with calcium hydroxide in a 3:1 seed to lime mix. Any help is appreciated.
 

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#2 Posted : 12/21/2017 2:02:00 AM
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Would doing an extraction be better? Knowing bufotenin has some inevitable unpleasantness but I'm assuming an extract would be a bit cleaner and if nothing else less material to snort. Note that I'm not asking to eliminate the body load as I feel it's integral to the experience just to tame it down to a level where you can focus on the experience.
 
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#3 Posted : 12/21/2017 7:48:24 AM

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you can try that.
Check out this thread if you do, lots of useful info there.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=76519
 
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#4 Posted : 12/22/2017 5:09:59 AM
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The Plant has recently made 4 different snuffs from the same batch of seeds (Anadenanthera colubrina). The seeds were reportedly 'freshly harvested - Oct/Nov'.


All below descriptions are for a dosage of roughly 2 seeds [total seeds used divided by (total weight minus Calcium Hydroxide)]. The same individual and setting was used for all tests and they were ignorant of which batch was which. Administered by blowing into nostrils.

1st Batch: Strong rush, accompanied by slight trembling and minor cold sweats. Achieved an inkling of visual changes, air morphing, colourful static appearing. No ill after effects post-3hrs.

2nd Batch: Medium rush, full body tingling sensation (pin like sensitisation throughout body), mild euphoria. Mild visuals, translucent tentacles reported within the air morphing. No ill effects post-3hrs.

3rd Batch: Strong rush, upper muscle discomfort followed later by stomach discomfort. Headache appeared after 6hrs, remained for remainder of the day as well as the following.

4th Batch: Medium rush, tingling sensation started but within minutes turned to a 'relaxed rhythmic buzzing' before fading back to the pin like sensation. Air morphing present, colours brightened. Reported to have felt the most psychedelic. No ill effects post-3hrs. Positive afterglow reported day-after sleeping.

(all batches with no ill effects did come with a feeling of increased tiredness/fatigue. As if the body had been working hard but to no noticeable negative degree)


Batch preparation:

Batch 1 & 2 were made identically:

1) Seeds toasted on low for 15mins (roughly half popped) then low/med for 10mins (or until all popped).
2) Husks removed, seeds ground to powder and put in oven at 90 - 100 Degrees Celsius for 15/20mins.
3) Calcium Hydroxided added in ratio of 1:3 - 1:4. Water added to for paste, kneaded for 5mins, left to dry.

Batch 3 differed in that it was placed on oven at lower temperatures but for a longer period of time 50 - 70C for 45mins .
Could indicate that some unwanted alkaloids may be tolerant to prolonged heat but unstable at temperatures nearing or surpassing 100. Note: Bufo is stable at tempreatures up to (120 - 140 iirc)

Batch 4 differed in that 20 smaller than average seeds were selected (1/2 - 1/3 size of fully mature). They were then subject to the same parameters of Batch 1 & 2.


Small addendums:
In batch 3,The Plant selected small seeds due to anecdotal evidence of them having a high alkaloid/low unwanted ratio.

The Plant chose to lower the temperature of batch 3 to test if too low of a temperature was a cause for many peoples bad experiences.

Pretty damn sure natives that use A.colubrina (Cebil) cook for a longer time than those using A.peregrina (Yopo) so time may play a factor however from this one result i could argue that his only applies to temp exeeding 70C.

Please note: In higher dosages the seemingly negative-free batches may still cause unwanted effects. Do not take this as a guarantee that cooking seeds at 90 - 100C makes it safe to pour troves up ya nose! Thumbs down

Higher dosage tests will be performed later this month/early next month.




The Plant has a more conclusive write up on the different batches, it will try to find it Thumbs up

I am a plant. Any information given should not be taken as an absolute and could quite possibly be incorrect. There are many anatomical differences between us plants and you humans.
 
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#5 Posted : 12/22/2017 11:12:09 AM

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Cannabis is very effective against the nauseating effects of bufotenin, as well as the vaso-and bronchoconstriction. The bodyload on it's own is quite bearable without those effects.

I find bufotenin by itself a bit boring. But it is realy great when you take it on the peak of something else, like acid or shrooms. It's rich visual effects realy do complement other psychedelics, and you need less of it, if you're already tripping.

For me personally, the come-up of bufotenin is the most unpleasant phase. Once i'm through that phase, the bodyload and nausea do not have a very prominent kind of presence anymore.
 
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#6 Posted : 12/23/2017 7:42:38 PM
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dragonrider wrote:
Cannabis is very effective against the nauseating effects of bufotenin, as well as the vaso-and bronchoconstriction. The bodyload on it's own is quite bearable without those effects.

I find bufotenin by itself a bit boring. But it is realy great when you take it on the peak of something else, like acid or shrooms. It's rich visual effects realy do complement other psychedelics, and you need less of it, if you're already tripping.

For me personally, the come-up of bufotenin is the most unpleasant phase. Once i'm through that phase, the bodyload and nausea do not have a very prominent kind of presence anymore.


I agree that the comeup is the worst phase though there have been several trip out of my handfull that have been marked by vascoconstriction and tightness in my chest only fading after the peak. It makes sense that cannabis would help and I can also see how it would be better on another substance, currently drying 6 feet of a particularly potent pedro for extraction (3 inches was enough to provide an MDMA like high) I will have to try bufotenin at the peak of one of my mescaline trips, perhaps add some visuals. Granted I will not be taking it with my first extracted dose, I want to experience pure mescaline first to compare it to the various whole alkaloid products I have tried
 
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#7 Posted : 12/23/2017 9:01:34 PM

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I don't know if mescaline is the best thing to combine it with. Phenethylamines generally have more vasoconstriction for me than tryptamines or LSD. From experience i know that it works great with LSD, shrooms and ayahuasca, but i can imagine that on some substances, the bodyload and vasocontriction becomes even worse than normal.

If you want to try it with mescaline, i would at least add something to the mix that deals with vaso and bronchoconstriction. Cannabis does the job very well ofcourse, but cafeine or some other substances may also work.
 
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#8 Posted : 12/23/2017 9:53:50 PM
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dragonrider wrote:
I don't know if mescaline is the best thing to combine it with. Phenethylamines generally have more vasoconstriction for me than tryptamines or LSD. From experience i know that it works great with LSD, shrooms and ayahuasca, but i can imagine that on some substances, the bodyload and vasocontriction becomes even worse than normal.

If you want to try it with mescaline, i would at least add something to the mix that deals with vaso and bronchoconstriction. Cannabis does the job very well ofcourse, but cafeine or some other substances may also work.


Yeah generally I do get some vasoconstriction on the comeup with mescaline though that seems to pass in two hours pr less, granted I typically do combine it with cannabis which very well could be why I don't get the negative effects after that point. I will have to try pure mescaline first though as I haven't experienced it, maybe the other alkaloids in pedro temper the mescaline to some extent.
 
 
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