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Bancopuma
#1 Posted : 10/21/2009 2:54:00 PM

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Well having helped a well known ethnobotanical vendor set up a new website on iboga, he invited me to a kambo frog medicine ceremony. This was an opportunity I was unable to pass up. A few weeks before the ceremony, I had a weird and very vivid frog related dream that I can still remember clearly. I had helped a well known ethnobotanical vendor set up a new website on iboga, and he invited me to a kambo/sapo frog medicine ceremony. This was an opportunity I was unable to pass up. Precisely two weeks before the ceremony, I had an extremely vivid dream where I was walking over some boardwalks over some swampland, resembling the Florida Everglades with my mum. We encountered these huge metre tall snails, and also some levitating hanging baskets, and naturally our first instinct was to reach up and grab some vegetation to feed to the snails. As I was doing so, a large green tree frog jumped on my face, kissed me a few times on my cheek with little frog kisses, and then jumped onto my mum’s face, and did the same! Very random and very vivid…certainly not normal frog behaviour, and random even for a dream!

Skip forward a few weeks to the weekend of the ceremony. I travel down to the place. It just so happens the owner of a health food website I’ve known of for ages is our host…I had recently encountered her Iboga blog online. She is a very warm, cool person, and immediately on arrival, I feel very welcome at this place, a kind of community. I am sober on the Saturday eve, due to having my kambo ceremony on the Sunday. I have some great chats to people there. A raw food chef, a girl studying her masters degree in Ireland, some shamans that work with iboga and ayahuasca...and many others...an eclectic and effervescent gathering of people, I feel very welcome as soon as I arrive…

There had been a delay and visa problems, preventing the main guy running the kambo sessions from coming. However the guy he works with was in London and could make it. This guy, with his helpers and the shaman hosting the gathering all arrived late on the Saturday night, as did the well known ethnobotanical vendor, and we chatted as the guys prepared the frog medicine.

The guy running the frog medicine sessions was an extremely warm, loving guy who just emanated positive vibes, I felt immediately comfortable with him. He worked with ayahuasca and the Santo Daime church as well. He explained in detail about kambo, about its mythology, and its effects, and impact on his, and his helpers lives…all very positive stuff.

Apparently the gift of kambo was received during an ayahuasca vision a shaman was having, where the arms of the great spirit showed him the kambo frog (Phyllomedusa bicolour), and that frog in particular…there being many, many different species of tree frogs in the Amazon.

He then sang some kambo medicine hymns, which opened with “The kambo frog will kiss you…” My hair stood on end...this was exactly what had happened in my dream!! This was really positive though, it felt right for me to be there, a good omen if you will.

A quick note on kambo...the frog is not harmed in any way during the extraction, only mildly stressed for a very short amount of time...it is thought of as extremely bad form to harm the frog in any way, and will bring wrathful intervention from the animal spirits. Harvesting kambo is arguably much more sustainable than harvesting and destroying ayahuasca vines.

The guy prepares the frog secretions for each person, and while this is going on, you are instructed to drink 2 litres or more of water down, to produce a deep cleansing purge. He then burns you, seven times, on the arm for men, and on the leg for women. It is only momentarily uncomfortable, then stings mildly.

Many people went on Saturday, until 7:30 in the morning, and there was much vomiting and groaning during this time. Sunday was my day. After a little sleep, I woke up and fasted before hand. However it turns out we were able to drink some Brazilian Santo Daime ayahuasca during this time. I have never drunk ayahuasca during the day before, and I heard the Indians believed it was very bad to do so (similar to the Mazatec with mushrooms). We all had 3 glasses of this ayahuasca…the mildest tasting, least fowl I’ve ever had…and it was such a positive experience. The brew was almost all caapi I think, with maybe a touch of chakruna, but it was an important experience for me. Before this I had been seeking spectacular visions of the ayahuasca serpent I think…but you don’t need visuals or visions to be embraced by the essence of the plant...it was a very warm, peaceful, nurturing, nourishing experience. I actually caught up on sleep by closing my eyes and going into trance, and felt much more awake after the ayauasca. It was a beautiful day as well, and I was sitting next to my ethnobotanical friend, and he remarked on how beautiful everyone looked from the ayahuasca. And it was true…the energy unique to everyone and what made them special was visible.

Then came the evening, and the time of the kambo ceremony. I was in no rush, content with the ayahuasca afterglow, not having encountered ayahuasca for some time. People went before me, and some peope left, and some new people arrived. I was a bit apprehensive I must say…several people had passed out and collapsed as a result of the kambo, and almost all sounded like they were in agony.

However this amazing girl went before me, and just laughed and smiled, then she would purge, and carried on laughing and smiling! She had such a beautiful, positive energy, it was great for me she went before…apprehension was replaced with respect for the medicine.
So I drank my water, got burned, had the venom administered, and then sat down on a couch, clutching a bucket to purge into. I felt the kambo within seconds. I tried my best to smile during the experience. I didn’t want or hope to out do the girl before me, but I loved the way she had handled herself, in a way where full grown men had crumpled in groaning, nauseated agony. A heat rose to my head, and my heart rate went up. It wasn’t unpleasant really, just odd.

This feeling grew in intensity…I focussed on breathing, and this was a great anchor. I felt electricity surging into my hands…my gut was being twisted…the guide sang to me and shook his rattle. I purged..deeply and cleanly...repeatedly, all the water I had drunk.
My eyes were glued shut, my throat was a bit swollen, and my gut was still being twisted. I didn’t have any visions, as such, although I hear these may arise the more one works with kambo. I finally purged again. This time it came deep from within me…the ayahuasca from earlier in the day, and stomach bile...it felt like the kambo had gently squeezed all the impurities out of my liver and I was purging them.

There was no trace of fear or anxiety during the experience. The experience, while very intense, was not as intense as I expected after observing others go through it. I had given myself over to the kambo and trusted in its power. The main period of intensity lasted only ten minutes. Then I could open my eyes, and my swollen throat began to recede. It was amazing being supported by all these people, all willing you on, while you are so vulnerable.

I had some good chats with people when I was back, and connected with some more great people. One guy ran an ethnobotanical company here in the UK, and two Irish girls had had two kambo ceremonies, one on each day.

Later in the night, we experienced these eye drops, and extract of a plant used by the Matses I think...it was painful, but only for a minute or two.

Later, we slept, and on waking, I realised how good I felt. Clear, strong. We moved furniture around and packed up and cleaned up. I said my goodbyes to everyone and headed down to Brighton with two of the kambo helpers and the shaman hosting it. He gave myself and one of the kambo guys a card reading…not that I go in for some of these things…but it was weird. We both picked the same card…Temple Gates…and everything that was said had been on my mind, and was true to my life, since the Iboga ceremony. The other guy had also encountered Iboga in June, around the same time as me…and he will be meeting it for the second time this coming weekend, the same as me…strange coincidence maybe…

I was quite emotional on saying my final goodbyes in Brighton and leaving on the train, and I don’t usually get emotional like this. I feel so lucky to have experienced that couple of days, with those people…its not something I will ever forget.

I can feel the kambo now still half a week later, and I have only had the one ceremony. Apparently it gets deeper with future sessions. Likely the ayahuasca is contributing to the afterglow, but I feel incredible clarity, and power in my body. The days following I had less desire for sleep or food, likely why the Matses use it prior to going hunting. I feel deeply cleansed by the experience, and despite its intensity, and compete lack of recreational qualities…I would very much like to meet it again. Its strange to me, as part of my mind thinks a venom is a defensive poison, best avoided at all costs. Yet the state of mind and body I feel now, I can only conclude that Kambo is a powerful medicine.

Viva la kambo!! Very happy
 

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#2 Posted : 10/21/2009 4:23:23 PM

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Nice one brother.
Thanks for sharing.
Did the dude bring a frog with him then or had he already procured the secretions prior to the ceremony?
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#3 Posted : 10/21/2009 4:30:40 PM

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Thanks man. He had already procured the necessary venom from the Amazon, dried out on these little sticks.
 
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#4 Posted : 10/21/2009 4:33:14 PM

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wow!..sounds like you are having quite the adventures lately! Good for you!..loved reading that..thanks for sharing!
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good stuff puma, I appreciate the reflection
 
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#6 Posted : 10/21/2009 6:02:44 PM

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There is this docu called the "Sapo Daries"... check it out http://www.google.com/we...ha&fp=2755c6b3e9b2e9

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#7 Posted : 10/21/2009 6:56:35 PM

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Hey thanks ya'll. Its weird as there is no way I would have had this opportunity if it wasn't for iboga...if I hadn't experienced that, and assisted an ethnobotanical vendor make a website on it, he wouldn't have invited me, etc etc. And so I wouldn't have had the experience and got to connect with so many awesome people, leading to future opportunities for connections and experiences... Since Iboga I'm less passive in letting connections and experiences come to me...now I seem to be out there and actively pursuing these, and its making quite an impact on my life.

Gawd I hope that didn't sound all preachy or like I'm high on myself...apologies if it did.

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#8 Posted : 10/21/2009 10:51:41 PM

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I just read a neat article on Kambo on the ayahuasca.com main page..seems it is very healing..apparently it is useful for healing parkinsons and cancer even..

I think maya has the stuff available..thought about it once but I dunno how well that would go, doing it alone for a first time..no experienced guide..

I can see it now..sitting on my floor burning dots into my flesh, dabbing them with frog venom, falling back and spewing all over the place...

Maybe when I eventaully get to peru..
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#10 Posted : 10/22/2009 12:39:50 AM

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Excellent report. Any one know the actives in the sapo/Kambo frogs. I wonder if captive frogs produce these effects or a they like many frog toxins a products of the animals diet. Interesting but I would never waste a frogs life to acheive these effects. Its is a cultural thing for the natives so of course I make no judgement of them. A interesting and brave experement on your part.

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#11 Posted : 10/22/2009 1:38:26 AM

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No the natives think it's extremely bad luck to harm the frogs..all they do is slightly stress it and it secretes the venom..the frogs are fine and live on..

Surprisingly they apparently dont even resist becasue they have no real predators..they are hard to swallow and poisonous..snakes dont even liek them.

Lots of info here and lists the actives..

http://www.ayahuasca.com/?p=120
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#12 Posted : 10/22/2009 4:27:15 AM

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fractal enchantment wrote:
No the natives think it's extremely bad luck to harm the frogs..all they do is slightly stress it and it secretes the venom..the frogs are fine and live on..

Surprisingly they apparently dont even resist becasue they have no real predators..they are hard to swallow and poisonous..snakes dont even liek them.

Lots of info here and lists the actives..

http://www.ayahuasca.com/?p=120


I did not know that I have seen some sapo frog prep videos here the frog is stretched out and scraped over a fire it does not show frog dead after but the couple vids I watched it would seem unlikely the frog would recover from such a treatment. The sapo frog is a different species from the Kambo I think. The skin of most amphibians is a complex chemical cocktail with all kinds of variations and unusual compounds many dependent on the animals diet. Whatever it is it would seem to be quite potent. Very interesting will have to do some reading on this I know very little about these frog species.
Most likley there are many interesting things to be discovered about the chemicals and compounds found in the skin of many amphibians many may provide answers and new treatments for some of mans greatest ills.

Got to do some reading on this interesting subject.

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ya there is some ancient european hallucinogenic liquer made from salamander secretions as well..ever see all those old alchemical signs and stuff that incorperate the salamander into them?

They kill the salamander when they make those drinks though, essentailly drowning them in booze..horrible..so don't get any wise ideas guys!

Salamanders are known to contain deadly toxins and such in the skin but I am not sure what type is used to europe.
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kind of like eye of newt Smile
 
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Kambo Sticks are being sold by a supplier with a name similar to Aztec as they are both tribes from Mexico

Quite expensine $68US per stickShocked
 
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#16 Posted : 10/22/2009 2:17:11 PM

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Hey y'all thanks for the links...am digging the aya.com article. Yes the sticks from Maya have enough kambo secretions for 5 decent sessions, so I don't think its that expensive. The ayahuasca worked amazingly well prior to the kambo, I can still feel the afterglow.

If one was to even attempt self adminstration of kambo venom, they would certainly require an assistant...the venom just comes on so damn quick.
 
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Icaros has Sapo.... but I encourage you to breed the frog and harvest it yourself.
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I doubt frogs like living in tiny aquariums..would you?

God I wonder if the venders get the stuff that way? I hate seeing animals in little glass prisons..

If I had the space and $ sure I would build a huge jungle like thing that was at least the size of a large room with pornds and stuff but otherwise I dont think it's worth it to imprison animals just so I can harvest the body fluids.
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Excellent, thanks for the report Bancopuma. Seems like everytime I use google to research a topic my friends and I are interested in...I end up getting linked back to the Nexus. The Nexus. Look forward to more sharing of information.
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#20 Posted : 11/10/2010 3:32:38 PM

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Bancopuma,

Thanks for the report! I had never heard of this before, it sounds like a very cool experience. It is amazing what you can find when you open yourself to what life has to offer. Curare, Kambo, Bufo, these Frogs and Toads out there deserve some respect.

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