if you want to deal in hard and fast facts good luck dealing with any of the entheogenic revelations

exp when dealing directly with spirituality as is the context of the OP

Like what ancients?


I could be telling you the truth too and you could not accept it.

i empbrace wholeheartedly critical though. Im not a new ager who blindly accepts anything. I also despise regression and lack of acceptance of what already is obvious. bottom line. ancients made aya, period, here or there they made it. what does that mean? nothing. of course they did. we all live in direct interation with divine in some form or another. weather we accept it or not we are part of it

so easy to think in terms of ourselves and our lifetime. we are but specks of dust. we know nothing

I'd like to do both, really. But to do so and remain sanely attached to reality, IMHO requires the ability to reflect on mere impulses of the senses and of the intellect. Without suspended judgment and diligence in seeking external validation from objective resources, one easily falls prey to emotionally charged delusions.


That's not what he said:

So he echoing pretty much what im saying? that things of revelance to be discussed here are attacked because of egos desire to be right or wrong? when if we were mystics we would know it is a foolish endevour to prove anyone right or wrong.? how about we all just subscribe to the rational western scientists theory of matter and deny everthing else.. Sounds dumb but i promis you it is pretty much exactly 100% what everyone here is doing and REEALLY REALLY selling ourselves short. THEY HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND EQUIPMENT. what they are held to is a reductionist self supporting theory. whereas i hope we are not

and how clear of a picture of "reality" are you attachted to? pretty boastful to claim to be 100% in touch with the true reality, when you are a fickle human

reality impies that you are right and i am wrong. Where in truth to claim knowledge of absolute reality is something no human can currentlyl claim to do

and i dont claim to be in touch with absolute reality, any more than we all are, but to say that we know anything of it is incredibly arrogant. Can you tell me one thing you know to be true and 100% eternal in its truth?\

Where did I state that? Please quote me on that verbatim or otherwise stop spouting nonsensical claims about what other people said or did. Alas already you don't feel the need to back up or retract earlier accusations, like I asked for earlier, so I am going to disengage from this "debate".

Be well.

Here is a copy of Benny Shanon's Biblicial Entheogen Hypothesis.

i would be glad to. please hold

pitubo, was going to dig through this thread and quote you multiple times, but i literally do not have the time. I am engaged in affairs i find much more important. but it is clear througought the thread you sought to give answers and understanding where you have none. Cheers!

UNDERSTANDING. being the key word. Like right after i said of course the ancients had knowledge of ayahuasca, what does it matter? You said what ancients? Well if not the ancient hebrews ( and of couurse they did) than for sure scientifically proven many other cultures did.... What exactly does that matter? My point was that of course they had access to this knowledge, to assume otherwise would be nieve. and even if they did... so do we.... what does it matter

if you want to deal in hard and fast facts good luck dealing with any of the entheogenic revelations

You (Pitubo) I'd like to do both, really. But to do so and remain sanely attached to reality, IMHO requires the ability to reflect on mere impulses of the senses and of the intellect. Without suspended judgment and diligence in seeking external validation from objective resources, one easily falls prey to emotionally charged delusions.

You did imply that it was you in touch with reality and that my perception of reality is flawed. When i consider myself extremely discerning and a seeker of the true truth. But of course you are the god on whats right or wrong

If im wrong, correct me but in saying that you seemed to imply that i was not discerning and not a seeker of truth

BecometheOther, I am really finished for now arguing with you. You claim to not have the time to back up disputed earlier claims, yet you do appear to have the time to keep posting more claims. I take that as a lack of respect for the discussion and the other forum members.

Back to topic, this has been debated before on the forum, multiple times even. When I only searched for "moses" in the topic title, I found three threads already. The earliest, "Moses was on Aya" say scientists is remarkably down to earth, or at least half the participants are. I sometimes wish that the general level of critical discernment was always that high on the forum.


I note the absence of archaeological data and want to reiterate a comment that I made in an earlier "biblical ayahuasca" thread, in this posting in the "how Moses made ayahuasca?" thread:

Whether it be a person tattling on someone for cheating on a test, A kiss a-- on the job, or someone that spends all their time reminding people of the attitude page, I view it as a sign of weakness. I don't see it as black and white because I've never seen him say anything positive about anything. Just the fact that he pulled up some links shows he lacks a social life. Show me some links of him being kind and positive to someone lol. If you have nothing good to say about the topic then why say anything at all? Don't you have anything better to do with your life? If the topic was out of place and didn't belong here don't you think a moderator would have done something about it? The only reason i said this was stoner talk was to shut pitubo up because I know what he does. It only makes me upset because I wanted this place to be different than other forms. I wanted to communicate with kind, like minded people that truly wanted to help each other. That's not what im seeing on the nexus forum . I've talked to some good people on chat but that's about it . I think there's a lot of people on this thing that dont actually use psychedelics, that use this thing due to lacking a social life. I tried to have his comment deleted but the moderator has something going on in his life and can't do it right now. If I ever post anything on the nexus again I'm just going to have his comments deleted.

I personally talked to someone on chat that knows Indicunt in real life that said some disturbing things about him. If you was on chat that day you would feel differently. The next time you log on chat ask about him. Im not going to say who it was.

Running Bear, this is irrelevant and is just inciting more drama, this is not the point of this discussion, and you continue to do this despite what was said to you, do you see what I'm saying?

What someone over an internet tells you, especially if you don't know this person that well [personally], this is only personal assumption. this need not be in this thread. Let's continue the discussion that was the purpose of this OP, no?

Be well