I though spagyrics were sort of like homeopathic remedies..meaning they have no physical actives in them..so wouldnt that basically leave you with out any actual harmala's?

im not sure if they have any actives in them..but they do have a lot of energy somehow...they most certainly give wonderful effects when taken alone at higher doses

I don't.

I put in what felt right based on extensive sublingual use.

nice

Any swimmers out there have experience with the Indian Warrior herb mentioned earlier in the thread? Been reading up on it, sounds promising. Also, what herbs would you say lend themselves best to taste? So far SWIM has lavender, mint, and pau d'arco on the list, and probably the Indian Warrior, too. He's gonna add some freebase harmine into the solvent with the spice so he's trying to focus on herbs with the best taste. Any suggestions?

for the love of god...
the most powerful swim has tried yet...
totally unreal...
swim tried a new way of producing STB totally just let it sit in heated water over night 3x MHRB slightly higher base and more bark... ended up with yellow junlgey goodness... this is harsh when smoked alone but perfect for changa... why bother making it perfectly clear if its going to infuse leaf? your wasting so much of the roots magic!
leaf was 10x extracted Hawaiian celio caapi leaf...
addatives included...
yerba santa
red willow bark
heyoka sage
osha root
mullien
palo santo
florida water
lavender
wild rose bud
seraphenite
kyanite
double terminated tibetian quartz
black and green tourmaline
concentrated elephant head flower ( or Indian warrior to some)
1:1 combination of spice and plant material


end result was sticky resiny plant material dark blackish green.
in the pipe... it did not burn well more like a sticky hash or opium... it more or less sort of melted... swim only got two tiny little tokes barely anything happened to the bowl... and swim was blown away... the house was full of fog... and swim felt the caapi strongly... swim started inner dialog with the caapi smoke and discussed serious issues swim was dealing with. it was so strong and introspective. powerful guidance in swims life, things swim knew and needed to hear uncomfortable yes but necessary...
the visuals where very strong open eye and closed eye...
swim barely even singed the bowl... its pretty unreal... cant believe the potency... this is by far way more then ever expected, and swim feels the method may be perfected though perfection is just a platonic ideal... lol
the power and gental guidance of this medicine when ingested in such a way is beyond humbling...

Hehehe...my friend is crazy..SWIM told me that this changuar smoke is a strong medicine. He was painting the other day, smoked some (just a tiny dose, a pinch) of his caapi jurema changuar mix and was shown how the painting was a reflection of his present. The medicine showed him that he had seen his present before this and painted it..(to much tv? to many heroe episodes?)..hehe.. And the changuar smoke also showed him how to continue the painting and by doing so, understanding all the fuzz around him.
Pain is love..take care of it..pray of love

All in all SWIM told me that this medicine isn't something to be playing around with. It is a sacred gift for sure..and as you said it SWIY...it humbles you beyond humbling..

hey Dorge..how do you add the quartz? seems something good to add.. do you soak it in some water or something and add the water?

I am almost finsihed making my new mix of..
white sage from my garden
mugwort I harvested wild
chocolate mint from my garden

then I was thinking that I will make a water infusion of some flowers and quartz+amethyst and add some to the base with an eye dropper..maybe some drops of d'arco tincture as well.

10 grams extracted caapi in iso will be added, alomg with a pinch or rue crystals and bufotenine..not sure how much but enough

..then I am making another mix with the exact same ingrediants but on top of the caapi, rue and bufotenine I am adding a full alkaloid extract of chaliponga as well..

hey dorge - please, can you elaborate on this? sounds interesting but not sure what u mean..

look up crystal essences online... you can buy them if you like...

balag...

Swims cat took 200gm of MHRB and added 250gm of lye in 2000ml water and let it heat up in a warm bath shaking it every few hours... then pulling then repeating two more times... the last being the next day after doing another hot water bath. the result pulled TONS more then swim had ever thought possible. None of it would be anything swim would want to smoke if not infused into changa... but the resulting batch was very strong, very dark yellow and jungley in nature... the effect of smoking with a super high conentration of caapi leaf at 10x the amount from hawaii blew out of the water any thing swim had ever done with regular leaf from peru that was not ten times concentrated on the leaf. the resulting changa is a really sticky messy thing lol... the potency is un real...

I have experiance with Indian warrior. Go for elephants head instead, Pedicularis greonlandica, its more euphoric, and the tolerance does not build anywhere near Indian Warrior. Smoke tastes better too.

Love Leaf Garden, is the best place to get flower heads that I know of.

now that is an awesome company!
thats going on one of my top tens...

Yeah it is pretty good, some of the prices are a little high, but the quality of the products is very good, I have yet to find pedicularis as nice as the ones from love leaf garden.

They claim to cultivate their pedicularis from the wild, so that might have something to do with it.

they would have to the flowers cant be grown i dont think, they are i believe symbiotic with musrhoom species. I got a tincture of it which was added to the changa when it was in liquid form...
the laberador tea is pretty awesome stuff actually...

laberador tea grows all over the bog 5 minutes from my home..if it's the same stuff...the stuff here was used lots by the native tribes..what are it's effects?

its an interesting head change. it can be smoked and or taken in a tea... hard to describe. its there, there is an effect, but like smoking bear berry leaves the effects are hard to describe. Bear berry leaves Swim finds to be like a psychic sort of empathogen. makes you feel very aware like with MDA but its so sublte that you have to relax and tune into it to get it.

"fortifies the heart" - dorge

Just got the Pink Elephant Heads and Indian warrior (Pedicularis) from LL and what can I say, just so-so. The Indian Warrior has a very cannabis look to it, pretty cool. Both seem to be fresh and of quality but also a bit over hyped IMHO. Neither tastes very good to me and neither seem to be very active. There's definitely something there but I guess I expected a bit more. Seems I've been duped again by the legal herb racket, but then again, SWIM has never tried enhancing them.

Oh yeah, also got some caapi leaf to smoke, but again didn't feel much of anything. They were on sale so perhaps they're old, but there's still plenty to enhance when the time comes. Just wanted to experience each herb on it's own before blending.

What are people's experiences with white sage and/or desert skullcap, those are the next two culprits on my list?

I love white sage..and mugwort
Both are great and I think the thujone enhances the spice a bit.

Also I really love white sage becasue I associate it with cleansing..I smudged with it long before ever smoking it..and the taste is reminescent of that.