SWIM says: No, I have not heard about the kid who cut off his own penis, and even if I did before taking those doses of datura it wouldn't have changed anything. I read plenty of horror stories, and knew very well the risks of what I was getting myself into. I've been to heaven many times through entheogens, but I've yet to travel to a really hellish place...all in good time. I have been physically assaulted by evil beings in my sleep, and I know more are out there. The demons have had plenty of opportunities to meet me, but they aren't so bold when you are saturated in God's love. When it happens it happens. I'm not going to stop dreaming, and stop using entheogens because of all the fear mongering going on. I appreciate your kind words of concern...I know I'll never hear the end of this...How about a datura horror story from every member of the Nexus?! God knows I need to read more, and I'm sure you all have one!

Much love,
-DoS

That make's 2 of us....

The line between courage and stupidity seems very thin here.

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Yea, that explains, i suggest you do some proper research before trying to trip from Datura, a few seeds can actually make the difference between sober and complete delirium, it's very hard to dose.
It's like Russian roulette, you don't wanna play with your sanity like that...

Maybe you do, who knows, it doesn't seem very smart to me though.

Check 1. Insult me
Check 2. Tell me to do something I already did
3. Horror story
Spiced, You forgot #3. These are all required as posts in this thread. Or if ya'll just want to cut to the chase and crucify me for making a deal with the devil's weed then by all means please do!!!

"I have been physically assaulted by evil beings in my sleep, and I know more are out there. The demons have had plenty of opportunities to meet me, but they aren't so bold when you are saturated in God's love."

Sometimes when s**t gets out of hand i like to take a break of all entheos for a few months - doing this regularly is actually a very good idea and brings much clarity.
Too many experiences with too little time for integration defies the purpose of taking these things in the first place, wouldnt you agree ?

Tropane alkaloids are preddy damn dangerous and im not so sure too much is to be learned from them, that is if you survive or remember anything after a good dose.

Ppl also smoke hydrangea to get high off low dose cyanide.

Sorry for the insult, but if you've read all the negative stories, and you are aware of the fact that having a possitive experience on a high dossage Datura is very likely to happen, it just is a riddle to me why you really want to go through this.

I didn't take notice of the date of this thread, i see it's a few weeks old now, so yea, it's probably no use anymore, you're right.

Concernig the horror stories, i guess you did some research about it yourself already, check Erowid, i'm pretty sure you did that already, so it's no use to point you into that direction.

I understand your intrest in this plant, but seriously, it is a major risk to experiment with high doses, it can kill you, why on earth would you wanna take that risk?

Being in a state of delerium for 3 days i assume is not that very pleasant, if you make it out of there, back to reality you'll be a experience richer, and have quite a story to tell, if you remember anyways, but to me it seems like pretty stupid (no offence?)you can call it courage, but again, the line seems thin to me, probably cause i don't understand your motivation to experience a high dosage.

You are probably hoping for something deep and special, but if there is a very small chance of getting what you looked for, and a major chance of getting a BAD experience,(no scare tactics, just being realistic here) i don't see why you are willing to take that risk.You probably won't do it anymore, but who knows.

Sorry for my rambling.

Yes I agree, breaks are very important in order to meditate on powerful experiences to bring clarity to everything. Some need longer breaks, and some need only a short day before setting sail yet again into the unknown. We are all psychonauts here by nature...I'd say with some it is even in their blood.



Spiced, I equate all entheogens to fire. Some burn hotter than others. Fire is dynamic, dangerous, beautifully stunning, mesmerizing, mysterious, overwhelming, energetic, unquenchable...You name it, that's fire. Myself, I enjoy swinging balls of fire rapidly around inches from my bare skin. I respect it's power, its force, and meditate with these orbs spinning around me well knowing that at any moment I could burn myself. It happens, but I still love fire poi. I keep going back for more because it is well worth it. I speak of course both figuratively and literally. No, I wouldn't post a pic of me with fire poi but here's a nice picture. It should serve as a reminder that everyone here is playing with fire, and it seems hypocritical though said with well intentions of concern, to criticize me for playing with a hotter flame. I've taken plenty of criticism already, and I'm sure more is coming...so be it!

Well, that's a very beautiful way to look at it ofcaorse .
I just really hope that you know what you are doing though, it's indeed like playing with fire.

Although, the romantic view you have on this i can't really share, maybe you will make me change my mind with a possitive Datura story, but i do highly doubt it, i wish you all the best though!

I love fire poi, well looking at it that is, i'm not that handy.

SWIM says: Everyone's passionate stance against datura here has extinguished the little interest I had in carefully walking up the dose. I am pursuing the full spectrum of psychedelia with great interest...like I've said before DMT is the Sun, and I've been to a few of the planets orbiting, and a couple moons as well, but there are still many alien planets orbiting this sun that I am very excited to visit. I guess Datura will be planet X just waiting for me when I've traveled everywhere the Nexus points me to...I highly doubt that will be any time soon. Yes, I'm still high from the Spice journey I posted about recently. And no need to apologize for rambling, that's what we do here! Ramble on...



Start out with poi that are not lit yet. That will increase your confidence!

When I talk about datura I'm speaking from experience not just arguing what's already been said with no mileage. I also wanted to experience what it had to offer but you have to understand it's different than real psychedelics. And experiences like 3 seeds combined with san pedro, use as a dream potentiator, and the use of the seeds for nausea ect. are very significant discoveries and it earns it's place. It's very nice as an additive and IMO thats how it should be used unless your an shaman experienced with the spirit world. Shamans also are able to use plants like Ololiúqui in very low doses with reverse tolerances and sensitivites. They are able to experience trips with dosages we wouldn't be able to feel. That can also mean less toxic materials. Also, it should be noted that potency varies a lot from part to part of the plant and from plant to plant. Thanks for hearing me.

This thread has been an interesting read.
Around my neck of the woods I was advised that the only safe way to meet this plant spirit was to smoke the plant material.
Make up a blend and start at half a cone, wait 30 minutes & repeat, and stop when you get a dry mouth. I was surprised nobody had discussed smoking, only eating the seeds.
I don't know if smoking will give you a strong enough dose or not because I never went there. I made up a 10% brug flower spicy smoking mix, I could feel the difference and it lengthened the duration but it gave me a headache. Demons appeared in my dreams that night and I felt someone was following me in my own house for a couple of days.
I decided I didn't want to know what she had to show and never tried it again.

It's better than ingesting larger than safe doses of the seeds. I didn't really get any worthwhile effects while smoking it but I'm sure stronger effects are possible via smoking. I've also heard of insufflating a line of brugmansia pollen. I guess datura would work too. That way the effects wouldn't last as long.

If you want to have a psychedelic experience with datura after all the warnings posted you clearly do not know what you're doing.

You are making a big mistake, and the mistake is that you think you can HANDLE the danger, that you are a rational being and that you know the difference between what's real and not real, what's right and what's wrong.

The whole point is that exactly THAT part of you that enables you to handle danger is being 'shut-down' by these tropanes.

You might be a very rational being and very able to deal with dangerous situations, but that doesn't mean shit here.

In the datura world there is no difference between total imbiciles and rational beings. It makes no difference whether you're a responsible and capable being here, or whether you're not.

Think about this argument very well and see that there can be no counter-argument. Unless you have at least one sitter around and you know exactly what a non-lethal dose is. Or unless you are realy willing to put your sanity, life or health at risk.

P.S.
I think this thread should be locked since, as far as i remember this isn't a suicide or self-destruction encouragement-forum.

I've read this argument many times before, and understand it. It is a good argument. There is no need to read like a broken record. The UNLESS part is where I'm coming from. If you took the time to read what I said you would know that I don't really plan on doing a high dose anymore. It was never my intention to appear to endorse or encourage something that the Nexus is against, and carrying on with my initial aim would be doing exactly that. MODS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS THREAD PLEASE DELETE IT. I WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED!!! I'm getting tired of repeating myself, and you guys are probably getting tired of this as well.

BTW Delirium is not limited to high-dose datura. I've been delirious many times on salvia, the level and duration of delirium may be considered safe when salvia is done properly but it is still a very powerful effect on the rational psyche. I'm also not comparing the salvia level of delirium to datura's level because I know there is no comparison. This is not a counter-argument, I'm just noting a fact that everyone here has failed to mention. I'm sure you are well aware that many people enjoy salvia's psychotic antics. I am one of them. I'm curious why you guys don't label everyone who enjoys salvia's delirium effects a stupid nut-job as well? Why not kill two birds with one stone?

Just say the magic word, polytrip and I'll delete this thread.

I think this is a good thread and should stay.

Many people came out and spoke from experience, be it frist hand or second hand, and really showed some caring.

Others were more direct, but all pointed to the same thing. Tropane alkaloids used to induce delirium is not a safe way to experience altered conciousness and rarely grants the user much insight, experience, or knowledge.

[quote=acolon_5]I think this is a good thread and should stay.

Many people came out and spoke from experience, be it frist hand or second hand, and really showed some caring.

Others were more direct, but all pointed to the same thing. Tropane alkaloids used to induce delirium is not a safe way to experience altered conciousness and rarely grants the user much insight, experience, or knowledge. UNQUOTE




Thanks for you post acolon_5. I am glad you recognized my intent in this thread I had the same intent when i started the other Datura thread it was not directed at anyone but was intended to show in real life experiences what one can expect as the norm with this plant.

It also lead to me receiving the first and hopefully the last rude private message here at the Nexus. I will not beat a dead horse but most would consider a message with a subject line entitled "Dont LIE" to be very rude. No matter what the discussion was about I think most members here would not do such a thing and thats why You Gotta Love the NEXUS.

My work is done here

PEACE OUT
MV

It was also not my intention to insult anyone.
If my tone was perceived as insulting or very direct it was for 2 reasons:

1-Tropanes are realy very dangerous, yet obtainable alkaloids.
I wouldn't want anyone to quickly skim a forum like this and think "hmm, this is probably an interesting new drug to try".

2-I wouldn't want this forum to become a sort of reckless thrillseeker forum, like some other substance related forums are.

It would make DMT look bad, if on a forum dedicated to it, you would find all sorts of advice on how to die young and leave a not so pretty looking corpse.

yeah I can understand how uninformed people looking to just get high could skim this forum and find these threads and end up doing something stupid without doing proper research..at the same time this thred is interesting and I dont think DOS had those type of intentions going into the experience, I personally dont think DOS did anything wrong...and I know that everyone here meant no offence and was just concerned for DOS's wellbeing..thats why I love the nexus..people here actaully give a shit.

Would hate for this place to turn into party vibe or bluelight..god no..

I think there is enough warnings about tropanes on this site that the smarter people could figure it out..it's the stupid people looking for thrills that dont do enough research we need to watch out for..

Agreed, but you didn't say, "please" which is of course the magic word so I guess the thread remains for the time being.