I've found some stuff via google, sorry should've done that earlier:

This guy uses a few leaves to pick up some llipta, then folds quite a few more leaves around from different sides to make a little parcel of what looks like 1g:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQw9TPQMtYw

Whereas this woman's driver strips the spines from the leaves and just chucks them in:
http://www.xpeditionstv.com/8/index.html

Whereas here the coca museum says they don't add the llipta until after chewing 8-10g (surely a mistake, would that even fit in your mouth?!) of leaves softly for 15 mins, then placing at side of mouth near saliva duct, and farmers do this 2-4 times a day so consuming 340g a week!: http://www.cocamuseum.com/htm/chewing.htm

This guy just rolls it up with llipta in the middle. (Did he just say it has mescaline in?!!). He says to swallow the juice.
http://www.youtube.com/w...hoRM&feature=related

The only thing I still don't get is why one can't swallow the leaves.
Also, should one refrain from chewing coca for a day before and after ayawaska?

Swallowing just seems to give a warm feeling in the stomach, chewing likely gets it to the brain much more effectively.

I don't think using a little in combination with ayahuasca is a danger.
There is too little cocaine present to cause any hazard or unwanted side effects. A cup of coca tea can't do harm.
if you start chewing hands full of it, it can be different.
But a cup of strong espresso is often more stimulating then an average cup of coca tea. It's very mild, realy.

furthermore: chewing anything with calcium carbonate is bad for your teeth. Just drink the tea.

Amor- thanks, I meant swallowing the spent quid, instead of spitting it out. Why waste all that nutrition? [EDIT: and the main reason being unfortunately it's not socially acceptable in the West to be spitting big green blobs when you're out and about!] I'm wondering if it's bad for you in some way to eat spent quids, maybe gives you the runs, or makes you ill very gradually in some other way.

Polytrip- can one chew coca a few quids earlier on in the day? Also, is sodium bicarbonate bad for teeth? They put it in hippy toothpaste...

Oh yes. It works for only a few hours, maximum.
And the thing with sodium bicarbonate. It's works for toothpaste because it works a bit like an abrasive.
If you brush your teeth 20 times a day it's also not that good.

Incidental use isn't harmfull, but people who chew coca or betelnut on a daily basis have always bad teeth, because it's like brushing them excessively.

Thanks. Will homemade Vin Mariani absorb sublingually as well as chewing? Or is holding that in your mouth (=alcohol) as bad or worse for your mouth?

(Betel stains teeth too, lovely feeling but chewing is so impractical, and baking soda doesn't seem to work very well with betel.)

Dreamers have been chewing coca today as well, they're enjoying their new novelty! Much nicer than standard caffeine drinks.

Yes , Alcoholic Tinctures seem to absorb , if strong enough , but they are very unpleasant.
Vin Mariani is anyway intended to be absorbed by the Liver

I agree that Windor is a tad weak, there are stronger leaves out there, but Windor will work, as will Inca Tea (I personally like this one). Again, I've NEVER come across commercial decocanized tea. I'm not sure that there is a commercial decocanized tea available.

I've tried powered coca tea (aka Coca Flour), and personally I hate the stuff. It runs through tea bags like water, quidding it is no fun and coca flour gets all over my mouth and the quid wants to dissolve while in my mouth....but to each his/her own.

Alcoholic tinctures work great sublingually, expect for the burn.

SWIM swallows his with no problems.



Yeah, the powder's meant more for an aeropress. SWIM's never had a problem with quidding it. He gets it quite moist before-hand, so maybe that has something to do with it? SWIM also just sticks it under the tongue. He used to put basified leave between the lip and gum, but that wreaked havoc on his gums. Some of it does disolve, but SWIM likes to let it run down the throat gradually.

Sublingual with alcohol:

Would you guys say that alcoholic tinctures work as well as chewing? Could we devise a minimum-effort preparation for maximum results?
(Minimum amount/% of alcohol, min time left to soak, do leaves have to be ground/broken up or not, etc)

Does the alcohol have to be mixed in with the preparation, or is just chewing coca while having a beer sufficient?

More importantly, does the presence of alcohol actually make a noticeable difference to the experience, or is the active metabolites effect unnoticeable in reality? (Chewing coca seems to be more effective than sublingual 'tea with leaves left in and vodka added then shaken and left to sit for hours' in one person's experience)

Non-alcoholic sublingual:

Also, I wonder if a non-alcoholic sublingual coca method could be devised for convenient use in the West? Coca chewing can't really be done in public acceptably in the West because of the bits in your teeth, stuff in your mouth, and spitting out of spent quids. Secondly, coca is class A, which would make chewing coca in public dangerously conspicuous. Thirdly, bicarb, llipta or lime in the mouth has been said here to be bad for teeth.

My first idea is simply to make coca tea with bicarb soda added, then drink this slowly, holding each sip in the mouth. Then the bicarb is not ever present in the mouth in an undilute form, and I'm guessing that that would be kinder on the mouth? Would that work, or would the bicarb degrade or become inactive over time, or some such problem?

I dreamed about pouring boiling water to just cover the 1g pile of leaves in the cup, then adding a pinch of bicarb and leaving it for as long as possible, 15 mins plus. Basically doing the job outside of your mouth instead of inside. The liquid is held in the mouth in two gos for 10-15 mins each, and this seems to do the job ok.
Then there is no mouthful of leaves, and I presume the bicarb is less concentrated then as already fully in solution, so not as bad for teeth.

That guy has been chewing coca every now and then for a while now and he finds it a good ally. After an initial period of experimentation, he now only chews it when he needs to work but is in one of those dreaded moods when concentration, getting stuck in, and making decisions with confidence elude him. One 1g chew in the morning works wonders on one of these days and he'll go on to have a very productive day, sometimes having a second chew in the afternoon too. Defeating the onset of an unproductive day then makes him less likely to have further unproductive days. He can in this small way understand part of why he has heard that the Andeans only really chew it for work.

His conclusion is that coca is a superior substitute to caffeine. Caffeine doesn't agree with him at all.

Icaros has really good Coca leafs for cheap! They also have true blue peruvianus seeds and great Aya' products!

I like chewing a quid of Coca more than anything! Also it taste great if you steep the leafs in some coca-cola!

That guy usually isn't precious about plants, but honestly I don't think he could bring himself to 'disrespect' coca leaves by drowning them in Coca-Cola. Coca-cola allow their factory owners to murder trade unionists, have a monopoly on coca imports, rot teeth, weaken bones, cause diabetes, cause obesity, and advertise aggressively to children even at school with no disregard to their health. Drinking just one Coca-cola or similar drink a day can make a child obese.

is chewing or drinking coca tea any more addictive than caffine?..I have wanted to try for some time now but caffine gets real addictive to me(especially when working early inthe am)..and I dont really like the effects of caffine either..I stopped for a long time but now drink only small ammounts sometimes..

Coca sounds like it may be better though..

I have not noticed any w/d symptoms from abruptly stopping coca tea/quid useage.

I have used coca tea daily for months and then stopped for weeks without any issues.

Coffee, on the other hand gives me massive headaches if I stop after months of use.

Coca leaves are illegal where i live...even if they contains no alkaloid because it got removed chemically.

Anyone have info on the alkaloid content by weight of coca leaves? SWIM would hate to fail a DUI test or something over a cup of tea

Coca tea CAN produce positive results for cocaine, but like cocaine it leaves your system pretty quickly.

The few tests I have seen done say ~2-5mgs cocaine per gram of coca tea.

http://www.cocaine.org/cocatea.htm

I'd say coffee/tea (or other natural caffeine products) and coca leafs (not cocaine) are about equally addictive.

Extracted caffeine, pure caffeine, even energy drinks and REALLY strong coffee can be about as addictive as extracted cocaine.

I had a serious, serious caffeine addiction (strong coffee + tons of sugar) for about 5-7 years and I think it servery stunted my growth and gave me other health problems when I was younger.