Hello there :-)

It is fair to say that I did not consume drugs before in my life, except cannabis from time to time. Also, I was never interested in drugs per se. However, cannabis lead me by chance to Mimosa Hostilis, of which I bought 50g last year --
and forgot about it completely. About a month ago I remembered the powdered bark and extracted DMT.

Vaporising DMT for several days in a row I had various experiences; and much food for thought during the afterglow.

I will describe some of the more important experiences, which partially where very disturbing. (Now I understand, where Lovecraft found his inspiration.)

Observation A

A grid structure appears in the air, moving down onto me. This grid could be described as being pretty strong, like made of metal, with considerable gaps. Inside these gaps strange and well-arranged symbols appear.

The symbols roughly remind me of symbols in playing cards.

This is a technical construct, it has nothing organic to it.

It could be the technical structure, which underlies our normal existence.

Observation B

I get upset during the experience, wanting to argue with something or somebody about the reason me being in normal, earthly existence. Something is not right, and I am searching for the one responsible for mankind being "incarnated" on earth.

My impression is: we are all f*cked with by someone -- and somehow kept down by this common existence. I feel more or less like a freedom fighter, ready crush the system. Also, I am under the impression, that I have done so for a long, long time.

Observation C

My hole body seems to be covered by a net, like a wire mesh fence covering and maybe holding the whole body. The net could be described as being electrical. It is not very hurtful, but definitely not pleasant. Small electric shocks all over the skin.

Observation D

Lying on my back, I feel that a very long, maybe metallic, needle is entering my forehead. Maybe 5 cm above the third eye. There are similar needles penetrating my body e.g. my left arm. I do not move.

I am under the impression, that I am a sedated, hyperdimensional patient. There is an structured area next to me, with strange symbols on it. I may compare it to some sort of hospital equipment.

There are two nurses, alarmed that I woke up in hyperspace. They try to counteract this and I get bugged. I want to awake and understand.

I used the words nurses and patient, but it could easily be keepers and captive.

Upon returned into common reality, I got the impression, that all the talk about spiritual growth while in earthly existence is just an elaborate ruse. Meant to focus mankind neurotically on its own (perceived) imperfections, thus sidetracking it and basically hindering its true awakening and true understanding of all reality.

Observation E

An energetic, structured mask or helmet is growing and forming around my skull. This mask may be there at all times, but is not observable in normal existence.

Observation F

I saw gigantic, light blue toruses atop of me, standing next to each other. I received the info, that supreme beings created these toruses and that mankind is just fragment of these toruses; potentially being destroyed within the blink of an eye.

Observation G

I entered very, very deep into hyperspace. I experienced that the whole human existence is more of a byproduct and that mankind with its more or less stable reality may simply vanish.

It was as if the inside of something was turned outside and vice versa. And after this, the resulting structure again got deconstructed, I do not remember where this lead to, but it diminished the importance of man. It was horrifying, as my mind / psyche / soul faced its potential destruction. Very Very thankfully I arrived back in my bed, where the wall next to me re-materialised.

I got the impression, that the universe is something completely different than man thinks. This caused a form of terror. What I experienced escapes words, I only remember some of my emotions and some visuals.

I believe I nearly died:

Upon returning my tongue blocked my wind pipe, it had collapsed on top of it. I did not breath. I stretched my tongue, which was very dry and furry. Intuitively and repeatedly I stuck it out as much as possible, being aware that sticking the tongue back into my wind pipe would lead into hyperspace or somewhere else. I started breathing again.

Sticking my tongue out reminded me of pictures I saw: buddhist and native americans sometimes portray beings sticking their tongue out.

The following may sound harsh, due to the fact that I boil down my opinion and experiences. Of course, there are many other interpretations and possibilities.

BACKGROUND

I have a (more or less shallow) background in Buddhism, Taoism, Ritual Magic, Alchemie, Psychoanalysis, Astrologie, Zen etc. I am not an expert, just your enthusiast next door. My conclusions and speculations about DMT necessarily are influenced by this background.

CONCLUSIONS

Hell

Hyperspace is hell, it is not sacred per se. People getting attached to its pleasant as well as scary attractions will cloud their psyche / soul / mind. I feel it is a place to go through, and not place to stay.

Please mind that I refer to a definition of hell, which many people might not share.

Entering unprepared

An explorer venturing into the unknown is well advised to carry a sword and a shield with him. Reading many reports on this site, I wonder how well prepared the psyche / soul / mind of some travellers is.

Epic and Scary Things

These things are real with respect to perception. However, perception is based on resonance. Removing the resonating factor from ones own psyche / soul / mind, these scary things informing us about the diminutive value of all mankind, or the single traveller, can be conquered.

I believe that these phenomena are not necessarily part of the own soul, projecting its shadow parts, but that these scary things are simply meant to scar people (away). A scared person can be manipulated, a cool person not so easily.

The problem, of course, is, that the scaring masterly touches a deep and vulnerable part of the soul.

Fear is the mind-killer , Dune

Problem: Consistency of Consciousness

Like many of you, I am under the impression that I am very familiar with hyperspace. But cannot explain why and how for sure.

In normspace we experience only a part of our psyche / soul / mind. There are other parts, which are acting constantly. By this, I do not speak about the (mysterious) psychoanalytical unconsciousness, but simply about structural and technical parts of the psyche / soul / mind.

Using DMT, the ego might get diminished but not the idea of self. Upon returning to normspace, not all experiences can be recalled, although the self seems to be consistent. This logically hints to the possibility of a memory block. If this block is meant to protect or to dominate the traveller is unknown.

I believe this to be of the utmost importance: achieving the Consistency of Consciousness across planes. Otherwise, one just dabbles randomly and makes educated guesses at best.

Normspace: the Base Camp

Normspace appears to a stable base camp. It seems to be protected from the many influences one experiences in hyperspace. Of course, emotional uproars etc. happen, but this is child's play compared to hyperspace.

Normspace probably got created as a safe and predictable island in the vast and unpredictable sea of hyperspace. The term "predictable" is key: only in predictable normspace we can develop, plan and train to deal with the unpredictable hyperspace.

Normspace: the Prison

Another perspective on normspace is the idea of being in a prison. Parts of our psyche / soul / mind are cut off and are not accessible. Being cut of from the other parts of the psyche / soul / mind obviously weakens a person.

THE END :-)

Let's continue with this doom and gloom series a bit. I experimented with dosages keeping me right below threshold, as this allows for observations that can be brought back into normspace.

A Word about Meditation and Hypnosis

Meditation is based on the idea of continuity.
Being a constant observer, not intermingling with the observed phenomena.
Meditation aims at the Continuity of Consciousness; which can be contrasted by our everyday consciousness jumping around between and being absorbed by emotions, thoughts, internal and external observations.

Hypnosis is based on the idea of interruption.
Hypnosis catches the attention of the hypnotee and forces content into the subconsciousness of the hypnotee. The normal consciousness during this process is impaired; further interruptive techniques deepen the hypnosis. A feel-good setting assists hypnosis, meaning even things appearing to be positive can be used for malicious hypnosis.

Remember: Catching the attention of the hypnotee is the basis of hypnosis. This is can also be called fascination, although fascination normally denotes hypnosis via the eye.

Observation: Hypnosis A

On a plane surface, prime colours appear as dots: red, blue and green. These dots have a fascination to it, one cannot help but look at them. This is accompanied by sharp, electric, unpleasant pricks on the skin. The lights seem to be the pull-factor, the pricks are the push-factor, manipulating consciousness to give in.

Giving in and letting oneself flow with the situation results in a diminishment of clear consciousness and finally ends in a trip.

Observation: Hypnosis B

A small, round, triangle-ish mandala appearing in normspace before the eyes. Again with the prime colours in the middle, which are separated by bold, white lines. It immediately grabs the attention as it draws near to me.

It looks like a toy for children and is interesting at first, but I feel something sinister accompanying it.

This mandala belongs to the experience of being in a nursery or clinic. It is probably meant to sooth and distract. Like a colourful toy one holds in front of a baby to grab its attention.

Observation: Hypnosis C

A mandala or tribal pattern of thin, black lines; the background is murky red. The tribal pattern is rotating slowly and has an hypnotic effect, fascinating consciousness.

I am under the impression, that this tribal pattern is somehow injected into normspace, with a thin umbilical cord leading back to its initiator.

As I noticed the hypnotic effect it had, I snapped right out of it with a triumphant "ha! gotcha!".

Observation: Not Hypnotised

Not being sucked into a trip, I observed in dim and shadowy light the outlines of something that could be creature, lurking next to me. I saw only the rounded, dark outlines, the middle was transparent. The outlines repeated itself a few times; like a circle holding another circle and yet another circle in it.

Conclusion

Each or some DMT trips starts with hypnotic techniques. One can counter this hypnotic techniques willingly, although a higher DMT dosage may make this difficult.

I am under the impression, that these hypnotic techniques may not be a structural part of a DMT trip, but that these techniques are implemented by entities. I suspect that a DMT trip starting with hypnotic techniques may lead to a fake DMT experience, opening the traveller to manipulations.

Snapping out of the fascination, I got angry, intuitively knowing that I am played. I cannot give a logical explanation why these experiences are nefarious and only refer to my intuitive knowledge and situational awareness.

If I am correct and these hypnotic techniques are implemented by entities, I am pretty sure that the basic technique they use is interruption by fascination, opening the consciousness up for manipulation.

Erik -

Love love love the observations and accompanying theories/thoughts you've been noting down in this thread! I'll comment on and question a couple of things that struck me in particular.


I'm a huge fan of Lovecraft, have read a ton of his work. Do you think he might have taken psychedelics at some point in life? His writing is so out-of-this-world but at the same time, strikingly familiar. It feels like he might have just been able to access these sources of knowledge or alternative realities in and of himself (given his family member's predisposition to mental illnesses and his own rather unstable character). Either way - amazing author, a pure linguistic and imaginative genius. I'll give a casual recommendation to read his short stories: "The Silver Key" and "Through the Gates of the Silver Key" (the second one is especially amazing in terms of the protagonist's description of a trip through (hyper)space to get back to Earth. At the very least, if you have little time, just read this one small section:

Through the Gates of the Silver Key - READ CHAPTER V


Although admittedly I have not had any direct experiences of hyperspace, I'll add a though either way based on pure theoretical thinking. Wouldn't it be better, or more complete, to describe hyperspace as both heaven and hell at the same time? It all depends on your relation to it, sometimes you experience it as one thing, sometimes as the other. Neither is a place to stay either way though.

Could you also still elaborate on what your definition of hell exactly is - this would make it clearer as to how you reached your conclusion about hyperspace.


What kind of a sword and shield is useful? How would you translate that into mind/soul terms? (as a newbie I cannot fully conceive of these yet)



This is an interesting conclusion of yours, it hints at there being something like two different realities - hyper & norm-space. One we experience almost all the time, the other pretty much only under the influence of psychedelics. The interesting part, is that we switch between these two different spaces with something as simple as a change in the active agonist at the 5HT2A receptors in our brains. Normally we have serotonin acting at these receptors, but when serotonin is replaced by DMT, LSD or psilocybin, our neural activity exhibits a striking change. There is an excellent essay which discusses and explores how hyperspace comes to be. It's a little long, but it offers fascinating insight and propositions as to how DMT and other psychedelic substances may open our perception up to these "Alien Worlds". One thing it suggests is that psychedelics may somehow tune us in to receiving signals from hyperspace (which is actually always there), which may or may not be an actual "external" reality (fun food for thought). Like changing tv channels. It also discusses the possibility of how endogenous DMT may have been de-selected throughout human evolution because having serotonin-mediated neural networks allowed us to actually survive and feed our bodies in normspace, where it seems that our bodies exist (how the fuck are you going to feed yourself when all you perceive is hyperspace?)

Check out the essay, I'll try to attach it to the post.

A final thing: in your last post to this thread, you write about Observations during some hypnotic states. Were these part of DMT trips (like the precursors to a trip after having taken DMT)? Or were they a separate experience?

Hello MindNomad!

Thank you for reading through my ramblings. I wrote them after taking DMT for about 3-4 weeks daily. I had positive experiences, too, but ... I got concerned after 3 weeks. My explanation: I probably got so used to the phenomena that I recognised details one does not ordinarily recognise consciously.

Also, I estimate that at most only 5% of experiences in hyperspace are recallable.



Based on my experiences, Lovecraft made similar experiences as myself using DMT. He may have used mushrooms. I doubt that he made these experiences via mediation.

Several years ago I had a substantial Lovecraft collection, but I do not recall the Silver Key. Nowadays I like to listen to good Lovecraft audio books, especially performed by the Atlanta Radio Theater Company:

https://www.youtube.com/..._query=atlanta+lovecraft

And I found the Silver Key, I will listen to it over the weekend:

https://www.youtube.com/...woNkOkihbS0PDJ16WzAK6yk-

There is a superb German performer: David Nathan. If you speak German, you might like it:

https://www.youtube.com/...y=david+nathan+lovecraft



Hell is a place ruled by attraction and repulsion. It displays attractive and repulsive phenomena which dazzle the mind of people visiting it. A dazzled mind will ultimately get caught up in these phenomena. Although many seemingly positive experiences and powers are available or offered, these experiences bind the soul, it gets trapped. A state of freedom is achieved when the soul is not attached e.g., neither attracted nor repulsed by a phenomenon.

The eastern tradition Buddhism explains it like this: The Origin Of Suffering Is Attachment.

http://www.zen-buddhism....s/four-noble-truths.html

The western esoteric traditions call this attachment, whether in normspace or in hyperspace, as being in hell. (This is my personal understanding after spending substantial time researching these things. Other people will define hell differently.)

Heaven is a state of non-attachment.
Hell is a state of attachment to negative and positive illusions.



A sword could refer to critical thinking and detachment. Do not believe in the phenomena you experience. Do not believe an entity telling you things. To question things means to attack them. It is an active state.

A shield is your defence, one needs to be able to deflect phenomena at will. Nothing is allowed to enter your space unless you allow it to do so. It is a stable passive state.

There are forms of meditation or even (ritual) magic to develop those aspects of the soul. Thus, they become tools, which a soul applies automatically.

A Silly Example

A person presenting you a diamond ring, asking you to marry him/her, and you being completely bedazzled by the ring, you mindlessly agreeing to the suggestion could indicate a lack of shield and sword.

Is the diamond ring real? What is it good for in the end? Has it a concrete purpose other than making you believe? Do you scrutinise the character of the person offering the ring, or do your emotions negate reason, resulting in questionable decision? And did the other person suddenly appear in your house, or did you invite the other person?



According to my experience, hyperspace is always there. And the human soul ranges across several states of being, not just normspace. Right at this moment, based on my experiences, I am sure that a part of my soul is active in hyperspace.

To me, the brain is an interface for the soul, limiting its experiences to normspace. Reason? Unknown.




Thank you! I will, this looks very promising!



Part of low dosage DMT trips, deliberately lingering on the border of hyperspace.
Although I could induce these hallucinations in others using ordinary hypnosis.

I read the story and must say that it is really impressive.

I suspect Lovecraft took substances of "suffered" from a particular condition allowing him to access these ideas.

Especially the idea that a certain "angle" of the consciousness creates (or manifests) the subset of reality, which we experience in terms of phenomena and time. Also, the idea of a fragmented self spanning several dimensions is explained well. I feel that these are not only a literary ideas but worth further consideration. There should be a systematic approach, figuring out if these ideas holds merit; and if, how to make use of it.

Yesterday I experienced something similar. It felt like I was the carrier of multiple personalities, some of them young, others older. And I heard their voices in my head, judging the current situation from their perspective. I will not describe this as a psychotic episode but as a genuine experience, as I could observe it calmly.

Interesting that you say that Hyperspace is Hell. I want to extend this idea since I believe that there is some truth to it. As a quick background, I did not grow up religious and would consider myself an atheist before my encounter with the Divine in my DMT trips. I won’t go into detail into the experience, but I’ve concluded that hyperspace is demonic in a biblical sense.



Does this sound familiar?



This is from a 2012 Vice interview with LA based occult artist Brian Butler. He describes how he contacts the same entity whom occult leader Aleister Crowley contacts.

https://www.vice.com/en_...vyn/magickal-stories-lam

I don’t mean to offend anyone. I just want you to question the benevolence of the entities and esoteric knowledge from Hyperspace. Is the purpose of Hyperspace to lead us away from the word of God? Next time you encounter those annoying entities, try invoking Jesus Christ.

I'm actually very curious -- did your previous experiences with DMT lead you to embrace the Christian worldview? Please explain a bit more. Do you still do DMT? (I ask because the first time I embarked on a very lousy DMT journey, I encountered some extraordinary Christian images.)

Also, does the Christian worldview correspond with anything embedded in your understanding from childhood? Forgive me my curiosity, as I want to know how the images of demons, demonic presences, and the like correlate with your experiences with DMT.

Yes and no. I don't believe in organized religion. I do not go to church and probably never will. My experience with church is from when I was 4 or 5 years old when a family friend would take us to Sunday School. I don't remember much from that time.

Here are the Christian world views that I have embraced since my encounter with the Divine while on DMT. I've simplified it down to these 3 doctrines.

The bible is truth. There is one true God and that he gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, for our sins. John 3:16

Satan is the God of this world. 2 Corinthians 4:4

Jesus Christ's second coming. Revelation

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Do you still do DMT?

No, only because it no longer has an effect on me. I will try again in a few months.

So what is the truth? I never thought I'd find myself question reality until recently. It started with my use of DMT. I have no past history of recreational drug use. I was merely seeking answers to my lifelong depression like symptoms. Am I still depressed? No. HOWEVER, I feel as though I was dealing with something possibly demonic.

I was never raised religious. My parents are immigrants so their beliefs are mostly based on superstition. As a kid I believed in God/Jesus/the devil like a kid believes in Santa. I only knew what I was taught in Sunday school. A Christian family friend would take us to church, but I don’t recall much since I was maybe 4-5yo. And this didn’t last long, but I still recall the bibles, how the words were small and columned. I remember the singing. I remember the Easter egg hunt. Other than that I don't have any recollection of any verses or teachings. I've always considered myself an atheist.

So back to the question of Truth. I believe the Bible is Truth. How does this relate to DMT? I believe that I communicated with something Divine in my trip. What was communicated to me aligns with scripture. It had to do with sin. Not my sin but sin around me. The message was loud and clear. We live in a world of acceptance and tolerance under the guise of good and progress.

So what is DMT? There's a theory that it's produced endogenously by the pineal gland and released when we dream and when we die. If this is true, then there's another theory that the modern diet (GMOs, processed foods) and fluorided tap water calcifies the pineal gland. Rick Strassman goes even further to theorize that the Prophets in the Bible were able to receive prophecy and communicate with the Divine through DMT/pineal activation in his book DMT and the Soul of Prophecy. I believe this to be true. We all have the potential to communicate with the next plane, but our modern diets prevents us from doing so.

Quote:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. Acts 2:17 KJV.

One cannot believe in God without believing in the Devil. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. If we have the ability to speak with the Divine, we also possess the ability to communicate with the Demonic.

Psychedelics, Drugs, & The Bible: Fallen Angel Sorcery. https://youtu.be/uY2hUM1PpfM

I hope this helps. I am not here to preach or convert. I'm just retelling my experience. Safe travels.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain your unique worldview to me from the perspective of one who started an atheist and found alignment with some very Christian ideas given exposure to DMT. I find it fascinating how dramatic of an impact this has had on your life and your understanding of divine reality.

Thank you for the insight. The space you enter on psychedelics certainly can impact your life, and show you things you never before knew possible...

Do you remember the experience or experiences specifically that led to this change of mindset? If you wanted to share, I would like to hear it.

Without going into detail, since the experiences were quite personal, the Divinity basically said that Jesus is returning.

Yeah sure, it’s just the drug talking. But when your trips keep telling you the same thing repeatedly, you start to listen. Keep in mind that I smoked all summer of 2017. July - October. During this time, two key events occurred. 1) The Solar Eclipse of August 21, 2017, “The Great American Eclipse”, and 2) The Revelation 12 sign prophecy of September 23, 2017. A solar eclipse occurred on the day that Jesus was crucified . It would only be fitting for an eclipse to also mark his return.



Yeah sure, its just coincidence. Maybe. But when the events in your trips start overlapping into real life, you start to believe that it’s not just the drugs talking.

The last message I received from the Divinity was that I had parasites. WTF! Where did this come from??? From Jesus to parasites!? I start to freak out. My first inclination was to make a doctors appointment to get checked immediately for any worms. Then I started to do some digging around the internet for home remedies and I found it. The Parasite Cleanse.

Black Walnut Hulls (from the black walnut tree)
Wormwood (from the Artemisia shrub)
Common Cloves (from the clove tree)



I did the cleanse and can report that I feel much more clear headed. As for smoking DMT, it no longer has any effect on me, but I think it’s just a matter of time until it calls me back.

As for the second coming, I truly believe that we are living in end times based on our current socio-economic and socio-political climate. Nuclear War with N.Korea is imminent, and the Middle East is a hot bed. I just pray that I’m wrong because I like living.

On a more positive note, I’ve become much more appreciative of the life that I’ve been given and the people that surround me.